ISO Black Madeira

I had 10 total bm I started to root end in October. Only 4 made it and they are ok and doing well growing like crazy. I didn’t water one because I thought it was heavier but then two leaves crinkled and haven’t come back but the plant is still growing.
I don’t even want bm because m in my area it won’t do well. I’m hoping someone will want so I can trade for things I want. In my house it’s a battle with the wife on figs. But we agreed 20 in the ground and 24 in containers. So I’m really looking to round out my collection and plan for the big planting in the spring.
 
Coolwater77 said:
I had 10 total bm I started to root end in October. Only 4 made it and they are ok and doing well growing like crazy. I didn’t water one because I thought it was heavier but then two leaves crinkled and haven’t come back but the plant is still growing.
I don’t even want bm because m in my area it won’t do well. I’m hoping someone will want so I can trade for things I want. In my house it’s a battle with the wife on figs. But we agreed 20 in the ground and 24 in containers. So I’m really looking to round out my collection and plan for the big planting in the spring.
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Ah I see. I want one just because tbh. Was the first premier fig I heard of and have never tasted one so I have to at least try. Depending on how these and the rest of my cuttings do I may have some sticks to pass around or trade with.
 
TorontoJoe said:
I had a lot of difficulty with BMKK. No problem to layer... but from cuttings I had several fails. The first I got going was sent as a small bare root.
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I think BM in general are harder to root.
I am doing a BMKK fig pop, and it’s noticeably slower. And as they say, it’s a race to root or a race to rot.
 
BucksCountyFigs said:
And as they say, it’s a race to root or a race to rot.
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On this race to root.... I can kind of, sort of disagree.... What I mean is:

Many people use rooting hormone when propagating from cuttings. I stopped because the roots came in insanely quickly, and the cutting burned out from being bled of resources. I found that allowing them to go at their own pace worked better.... for me.

On there other end... I've had cuttings that sat idle and did nothing for months.... It meant the humidity level had to be perfect for a lot longer... and that's not an ideal situation because you're in the danger zone for longer too. But nothing I did would speed up the process safely, and indeed killed a bunch by not staying the course and trying to add "something". Water, heat.... whatever.

While I can do it much more quickly now... My first Nero di Rocca cutting took over 6 months before I saw the first sign of roots. The only one to survive was the one where I just stuck to the program and didn't try to fix it.

This is not a scientific by any means... only my personal experience with rooting cuttings. My message is not that cuttings should take 6 months to root... but that often we (I) can do more damage trying to speed up the process.

My $0.02
 
TorontoJoe said:
On this race to root.... I can kind of, sort of disagree.... What I mean is:

Many people use rooting hormone when propagating from cuttings. I stopped because the roots came in insanely quickly, and the cutting burned out from being bled of resources. I found that allowing them to go at their own pace worked better.... for me.

On there other end... I've had cuttings that sat idle and did nothing for months.... It meant the humidity level had to be perfect for a lot longer... and that's not an ideal situation because you're in the danger zone for longer too. But nothing I did would speed up the process safely, and indeed killed a bunch by not staying the course and trying to add "something". Water, heat.... whatever.

While I can do it much more quickly now... My first Nero di Rocca cutting took over 6 months before I saw the first sign of roots. The only one to survive was the one where I just stuck to the program and didn't try to fix it.

This is not a scientific by any means... only my personal experience with rooting cuttings. My message is not that cuttings should take 6 months to root... but that often we (I) can do more damage trying to speed up the process.

My $0.02
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Hey I’m happy to hear any anecdotal information you have. Been at this a lot longer than I have.
 
Jigfig said:
Hey I’m happy to hear any anecdotal information you have. Been at this a lot longer than I have.
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Firstly, understand that I have killed many cuttings... I would bet many more than you have ever tried to root. I'm much better than I used to be, of course... but I still take losses.

The main point I'm trying to make is that when you decide on a process.. one that's been tested.... don't stray from it if you're not getting the results you want, when you want them. some cuttings will take longer and changing things up are more likely to do harm than good. Especially when it comes to adding something.

None of this is to say that you shouldn't experiment... Absolutely do! That's the only way to improve... but when you experiment, make it one that's planned... and not on the fly because something isn't happening as quick as you'd like.
 
TorontoJoe said:
Firstly, understand that I have killed many cuttings... I would bet many more than you have ever tried to root. I'm much better than I used to be, of course... but I still take losses.

The main point I'm trying to make is that when you decide on a process.. one that's been tested.... don't stray from it if you're not getting the results you want, when you want them. some cuttings will take longer and changing things up are more likely to do harm than good. Especially when it comes to adding something.

None of this is to say that you shouldn't experiment... Absolutely do! That's the only way to improve... but when you experiment, make it one that's planned... and not on the fly because something isn't happening as quick as you'd like.
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Sounds like a plan. I’m sitting tight. I plan to give them at least a month or two before I even check on the sticks if no signs of growth. Unless something obvious is going wrong.
 
Jigfig said:
Sounds like a plan. I’m sitting tight. I plan to give them at least a month or two before I even check on the sticks if no signs of growth. Unless something obvious is going wrong.
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You “plan to give then at least a month or two before you even check on the sticks”?!!

In the beginning, I go about a week, but after that, I love to check and see their little daily progress. I find it so surprising that they can sometimes even go from no visible roots to BAM! in a couple of days. So i check on mine them daily, since its a whole relaxing morning coffee and plant thing for me.

But from a practical standpoint, I could never go that long without a peek just to make sure that everything is on track and nothing has gone off the rails.
 
TorontoJoe said:
If they're leafing out they may need some attention. Do keep an eye on them. Just don't kill them with love ;)

If you're not sure, post back here with some pictures.
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Bahaha, you mean like my “look at this weird thing my cutting is doing” or “look at this gross brown stuff growing on the bark”…what do you think it is? 😆
 
BucksCountyFigs said:
You “plan to give then at least a month or two before you even check on the sticks”?!!

In the beginning, I go about a week, but after that, I love to check and see their little daily progress. I find it so surprising that they can sometimes even go from no visible roots to BAM! in a couple of days. So i check on mine them daily, since its a whole relaxing morning coffee and plant thing for me.

But from a practical standpoint, I could never go that long without a peek just to make sure that everything is on track and nothing has gone off the rails.
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Oh no I meant I’ll look for roots and leafing out, but if none of that happens in a month or so I’ll then dig up the cutting check for small roots or rot etc.
 
TorontoJoe said:
On this race to root.... I can kind of, sort of disagree.... What I mean is:

Many people use rooting hormone when propagating from cuttings. I stopped because the roots came in insanely quickly, and the cutting burned out from being bled of resources. I found that allowing them to go at their own pace worked better.... for me.

On there other end... I've had cuttings that sat idle and did nothing for months.... It meant the humidity level had to be perfect for a lot longer... and that's not an ideal situation because you're in the danger zone for longer too. But nothing I did would speed up the process safely, and indeed killed a bunch by not staying the course and trying to add "something". Water, heat.... whatever.

While I can do it much more quickly now... My first Nero di Rocca cutting took over 6 months before I saw the first sign of roots. The only one to survive was the one where I just stuck to the program and didn't try to fix it.

This is not a scientific by any means... only my personal experience with rooting cuttings. My message is not that cuttings should take 6 months to root... but that often we (I) can do more damage trying to speed up the process.

My $0.02
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I'm with the Joe here. I don't use hormone or heat. I just let the cuttings do what they want to do. I have seen cuttings that sent out roots super quickly but will not bud out and eventually died with hormone. Heat is also make humidity more unforgiving. If the temp stays cool, fig cuttings actually resist rot way better than you might think. When you add heat, it will root faster, but if your humidity level is wrong, it will also rot faster.
 
I’m still using the rooting hormone. Probably more of a crutch. I would really like to root more in the end of summer. I see a lot of people do well and it is a lot of work over the winter. But it is a learning process and finding out why you failed at growing a cutting is a challenge for me. I think that’s why I try and acquire many cutting because damn 1 or 2 have to grow. lol
 
Coolwater77 said:
I’m still using the rooting hormone. Probably more of a crutch. I would really like to root more in the end of summer. I see a lot of people do well and it is a lot of work over the winter. But it is a learning process and finding out why you failed at growing a cutting is a challenge for me. I think that’s why I try and acquire many cutting because damn 1 or 2 have to grow. lol
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It all depends on your timing honestly, I prefer late winter so by the spring time they’re all rooted and I can start leaving them outside slowly to acclimate. For me it was a nuisance to baby a cutting all winter and have a 3-4ft tree indoor by February 😂 too many issues like pests and climate / humidity control
 
I wouldn’t complain about 3 to 4 foot trees getting a good Headstart so possibly getting some fruit from a first year cutting lol. All kidding aside not wrong about the pests.
 
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