What causes a cutting to just never leaf out?

snarfing

snarfing

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Two of my cuttings which were both from the same source, and thus I wonder if thats the issue, both just never leafed out. I tree potted them with a bag around them in mid novemeber. They rooted out. Upon investigation they had roots everywhere in that pot. But they just... died this past week. I can dig em out of the trash to check but they failed the scratch test all the way down and were getting fungus up the bark


What can cause this? They weren't or under watered. So could this be a result of cold damage before I got them? Or would they not have rooted out then? I picked tjem up from a mailbox in December
 
Not every cutting is not a guaranteed tree. It's just a chance at one.
The nodes above soil may have been damaged, or the hormones weren't right in the cutting. Could of been a slow propagating variety and the soil was too wet for that one to give it the time needed to bud.
 
snarfing said:
Two of my cuttings which were both from the same source, and thus I wonder if thats the issue, both just never leafed out. I tree potted them with a bag around them in mid novemeber. They rooted out. Upon investigation they had roots everywhere in that pot. But they just... died this past week. I can dig em out of the trash to check but they failed the scratch test all the way down and were getting fungus up the bark


What can cause this? They weren't or under watered. So could this be a result of cold damage before I got them? Or would they not have rooted out then? I picked tjem up from a mailbox in December
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Tons of variables. I had a boysenberry blush full of roots but the top node was non existent. After about a month or so it pushed a new node thru the bark above the original node. Id think the same as dcallahan said above. Hormones or watering variable.

Did they ever sprout any green?
were they supplied with any light?
did you uppot them at all or original bag?
Did the soil smell funky at anytime?

Its likely a variable that it couldnt handle and it went terminal
 
I've noticed that sometimes it seems the cutting is doing nothing--no roots visible and no shoots coming out of the above-soil (superterranean?) nodes. But the cutting is busy putting out green growth from a subterranean node. I pulled a Galicia Negra cutting this winter thinking it was toast, but it had a tiny root ball and about a 2-inch-long subterranean green shoot. I've been trying to nurse it back to health, but I think I killed it.
 
pjmac said:
Tons of variables. I had a boysenberry blush full of roots but the top node was non existent. After about a month or so it pushed a new node thru the bark above the original node. Id think the same as dcallahan said above. Hormones or watering variable.

Did they ever sprout any green?
were they supplied with any light?
did you uppot them at all or original bag?
Did the soil smell funky at anytime?

Its likely a variable that it couldnt handle and it went terminal
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It never sprouted at all.

It was under light for 12 hrs a day.


They were not uppoted because they were in
treepots.

No smell or mold until the tree this week has small black spheres on it
 
DCallahan said:
Not every cutting is not a guaranteed tree. It's just a chance at one.
The nodes above soil may have been damaged, or the hormones weren't right in the cutting. Could of been a slow propagating variety and the soil was too wet for that one to give it the time needed to bud.
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Yes im just curious what factors may have lead to this situation.

It did get a bit wet yesterday because I forgot it in the bottom watering setup for 30 minutes, but I doubt that caused this that fast
 
It doesn’t really give answers except “sometimes it just happens”, but on some other place that we don’t mention there are post about cuttings rooting and never leafing out. Eventually all the stored energy gets used and the cutting just burns out.
 
I’ve gotta a box of ones that are just sitting there with roots. I got an expensive castagnat sitting there with roots and no buds moving, same with Cuvert. Of course the expensive cuttings are the ones that screw up. I was really hoping my MJS Smith from @Italian4u would lead out but it’s been sitting in a pot since early December, no rot nothing. I went ahead and pulled, cut the bottom and added more rooting hormone. I’m hoping that will kick start it.
 
Figjake said:
I’ve gotta a box of ones that are just sitting there with roots. I got an expensive castagnat sitting there with roots and no buds moving, same with Cuvert. Of course the expensive cuttings are the ones that screw up. I was really hoping my MJS Smith from @Italian4u would lead out but it’s been sitting in a pot since early December, no rot nothing. I went ahead and pulled, cut the bottom and added more rooting hormone. I’m hoping that will kick start it.
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My cuvert is in a landfill while the ither 8 cuttings i did at the sane time same procedure are all thriving. my castagnat has had roots for a month and no buds it swelled maybe a touch and nothing since. My castagnat chip bud graft healed well and still hasnt grown barely at all while my green goblin graft at the same time is almost a foot tall. Ive had s33 cutting since early december not a single root, the node swelled a little last week still nothing.
Its always the expensive ones i feel your pain on that, ive done over 100 this year and only have issues with a few and they were all expensive ones. Did a tiny twig of of some and they rooted right away.
I stopped trying to understand it i just repeat. If they die they die.
Not all cuttings are created equal.
 
pjmac said:
My cuvert is in a landfill while the ither 8 cuttings i did at the sane time same procedure are all thriving. my castagnat has had roots for a month and no buds it swelled maybe a touch and nothing since. My castagnat chip bud graft healed well and still hasnt grown barely at all while my green goblin graft at the same time is almost a foot tall. Ive had s33 cutting since early december not a single root, the node swelled a little last week still nothing.
Its always the expensive ones i feel your pain on that, ive done over 100 this year and only have issues with a few and they were all expensive ones. Did a tiny twig of of some and they rooted right away.
I stopped trying to understand it i just repeat. If they die they die.
Not all cuttings are created equal.
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Sounds like you got the cuttings from the same persons I did. What’s crazy is all the other ones I got from them have been just fine for the most part. Had to be the 2 expensive ones and ones that I really wanted to work out.
 
Figjake said:
I’ve gotta a box of ones that are just sitting there with roots. I got an expensive castagnat sitting there with roots and no buds moving, same with Cuvert. Of course the expensive cuttings are the ones that screw up. I was really hoping my MJS Smith from @Italian4u would lead out but it’s been sitting in a pot since early December, no rot nothing. I went ahead and pulled, cut the bottom and added more rooting hormone. I’m hoping that will kick start it.
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If it didn't rot, then it should be ok. I had a cutting sitting several months with nothing happening last year. I forgot about it and just left it in a bagged pot, until one day I saw something green and found it rooted after ~4 months. Now it's a second year RdB tree.
 
I agree that there are just so many variables. Here are some variables off the top of my head:

Temp
Ambient humidity
Airflow
Soil moisture
Light intensity
Light duration
Disturbance
Cutting health
Cutting size
Cutting variety
Cutting growth phase
And much more

Some cuttings just never had the energy stores to begin with, but we can't tell.

I recently noticed I had a group of cuttings that never did anything. They were even some of the first cuttings I set up. After a while, I decided to inspect them and realized there was just a tiny bit of wiggle room. I must have nudged them as I moved cuttings in and out and they lost contact with the soil. After giving them a soak and repotting, they are now growing.

But again, there are so many factors. I learned so much this season, and I am still green.
 
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