Roeding #3 - DFIC 133

Although it is a reliable Caprifig, and certainly much better than Roeding's #2, there are better/bigger ones here, and I would guess in other countries too.
 
@"Rob"#54 
I've never considered size of tree nor large syconia to be a quality factor in caprifigs. Which caprifigs currently in U.S. circulation with this quality that also provide excellent wasp concubine do you have in mind?
 
Rob is in Australia. Not sure he could answer your question about Capri in circulation in the U.S. But I am sure he can tell you about finds he has made. He has found some nice ones. Here in the states. I believe there are a few that are just as good or better. But I lost my Roeding 3. So will not be able to compare. Something you may be interested in. I crossed two persistent Capri. And now have 14 seedlings growing. I could have many more. But space is limited at the moment.
 
Richard, I must ask you to stick with what is proven. Many disagree and believe that pseudocarica is different than palmata. Please post more for your side of the argument. But lets not say it is proven one way or the the other. As it has not been proven.
 
Please refer to the papers cited in the link above, and in Aradhya et al 2010, p.682, 2nd to last paragraph.

Also, I'll note that the commonly mentioned discussion in Wayne Armstrong's web pages is not considered a viable reference. Wayne was a lecturer at Palomar Junior College who taught a general education natural history course. It was popular for the no cost textbook -- originally handed out but in the last few decades available online. He obtained notoriety for the drawings of Ficus syconia produced for him by the Faculty publications staff. The drawings were utilized in a paper by Stover et al in 2007.

Finally, I'll note that Aradhya's analysis of specimen relations were refuted in this paper, placing further doubt on Armstrong's discussions: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0263715
 

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@"GoodFriendMike"#9 
It has been proven, repeatedly.

Please refer to the papers cited in the link above, and in Aradhya et al 2010, p.682, 2nd to last paragraph.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2860561/

Also, I'll note that the commonly mentioned discussion in Wayne Armstrong's web pages is not considered a viable reference. Wayne was a lecturer at Palomar Junior College who taught a general education natural history course. It was popular for the no cost textbook -- originally handed out but in the last few decades available online. He obtained notoriety for the drawings of Ficus syconia produced for him by the Faculty publications staff. The drawings were utilized in a paper by Stover et al in 2007.
https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/42/5/article-p1083.xml

Finally, I'll note that Aradhya's analysis of specimen relations were refuted in this paper, placing further doubt on Armstrong's discussions:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0263715
 
Richard, I have read many of the papers you speak of. Some it seems you republished and edited. I congratulate you on that. But Pseuodocarica has not been proven to be the same as palmata.  It also seems to be affected more by Nematodes than Palmata. But here we are. Two people studying what was written long ago.  Can we move forward and respect others opinion's? And hopefully learn from each other?
 
@"GoodFriendMike"#9 
I received this notification of your post by email:
"Richard, have read many of the papers you speak of. Some it seems you republished and edited."
I don't see it now, perhaps I'm blocked from reading it.
Also, I had trouble posting the above comment with attachments -- even though my attachment limitation is unlimited. Eventually I changed the attachments to links and the post went through.

I have never edited the contents of someone else's article.
 
In some European countries Caprifigs need to be bought and they consider bigger to be better, possibly because they get many more wasps in the larger ones, for about a similar price as the small ones. Looking at testing done on them, numbers can 400wasps in an 1" to 1700 in a 2" or bigger, and when they are buying many thousands, it saves work and money. I was told recently, by a grower in Bursa Turkey, who grows Bursa Black, that they could use 2.5 - 3 metric tons of Caprifigs per season for 400 trees. Below, it is mentioned in 1923 one grower in California had 600,000 trees, so I am sure size of Caprifigs is very important, but for most of us only growing figs for ourselves, and needing a couple of dozen or so, it's not as important.
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@"Rob"#54 
Size of syconium does not correlate with number of B. psenes hosted. It is cultivar dependent. I recommend you subscribe to ISHS and read the papers from the semi-annual International Fig Symposiums. You might also find the two Fig volumes recently published by CABI of interest.
 
I read a lot too, but I also get out and look at trees/figs as well, and although what you say is partially true, not all Caprifigs on a tree are the same size, and if you think a large one has the same amount of Blastophaga Psenes as a small one, you would most certainly be incorrect. It's a lot like saying a big stadium holds the same crowd as a small one?
 
Like I said, it depends on cultivar. Same tree = same cultivar, unless of course it has grafts.

I look at trees as well: at plantations in California, at the USDA repository in Winters CA, and the myriad caprifigs among the 700 Ficus sect. Ficus trees I have at my licensed repository.
 
So by your thinking, a small fig of one Caprifig Cultivar would normally have the same amount of Blastophaga Psenes, as a large Caprifig of another, even with 50% of the internal area...... now that makes no sense. Like I said, bigger Caprifig, more wasps too!!!
 
Just to add to this, the amount of Mamme figs can also add or not to the amount of wasps per fig, large and small. Some small Mamme crops simply will not have the wasps available to oviposit on every flower of the Profichi crop, wheather the Caprifigs are huge or tiny.  A massive Mamme crop, like many I see, will have a much better opportunity of ovipositing in almost every flower in the Profichi.
 
@"Rob"#54 
There are caprifig cultivars with large profichi which house far less wasps than some cultivars with modest profichi. This is due to low percentage of short-style female flowers in some cultivars.
 
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