TorontoJoe
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Hey gang..... A friend of mine just gave me three fresh greek persimmon cuttings. Have any of you rooted persimmons from cuttings before? Is it any different than figs?
Propagating persimmon from cuttings?
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TorontoJoe
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I would try but have nothing to graft it to.... I guess I'm going to try to root using whatever methods I know.
Can you tell me about your experience trying? Anything you would have done differently?
Figless
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@TorontoJoe LOL Joe I guess I'm going to have to quote Bob Dylan for you.
"He said his name was Columbus, and I just said good luck".
It's not considered very doable, I have tried four times, and I have failed each time I tried. The consensus is this is a very hard cutting to root successfully. When I first attempted it I was convinced I would be successful LOL I too am interested in any successful cutting propagation stories. The usual method is to graft onto a rootstock. I wonder if you would have better luck using Rockwell cubes, and a heat mat. But then there's the danger of root rot at the interface of the Rockwell Cube that's placed in the soil. It seems to be an extreme irritant to roots at that juncture. Wonder if @MattK has ever done it successfully.
"He said his name was Columbus, and I just said good luck".
It's not considered very doable, I have tried four times, and I have failed each time I tried. The consensus is this is a very hard cutting to root successfully. When I first attempted it I was convinced I would be successful LOL I too am interested in any successful cutting propagation stories. The usual method is to graft onto a rootstock. I wonder if you would have better luck using Rockwell cubes, and a heat mat. But then there's the danger of root rot at the interface of the Rockwell Cube that's placed in the soil. It seems to be an extreme irritant to roots at that juncture. Wonder if @MattK has ever done it successfully.
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TorontoJoe
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Hmmmm. Not sounding promising. I need to do some research. Was hoping someone here had done it.
Figless
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Joe I'm sure somebody here has been successful, but I can assure you it was not me.
superdave336
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No success rooting them from cutting but lots of success grafting them. Anyway you could preserve in fridge and track down some rootstock?
grasshopper
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Try the local nursery or even home depot to see if they have persimmon trees. Better graft than root unless you have a big supply of scions to try.
Figgerlickinggood
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go to youtube and in the search bar put "how to root persimmon cutting. there's a lot of videos on rooting persimmon cuttings
superdave336
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Only thing is if you read the comments on the video and they follow up with results most failed.
TorontoJoe
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The guy who gave them to me has persimmon trees. He's never rooted from cuttings either. I wonder if we could pull it off with such little season left.
RandyK
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I think if you are going to try it, you would need to break out your heat mat and (eventually) grow lights. Same as if you are starting fig cuttings in February or March...
GoodFriendMike
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Reading up on it. It would be better to graft it. Seems some you can root others are almost impossible.
TorontoJoe
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@GoodFriendMike @RandyK
This is where I'm sort of stuck. My buddy has some persimmon trees but it's going to really start cooling down soon. I don't know if there's time for a graft to establish. So my options appear to be:
1) try to graft on a tree and hop it takes before it gets too cold
2) try to root the cuttings
3) try to graft on a small tree (if he has one) and nurse it over the winter.
What are your thoughts?
This is where I'm sort of stuck. My buddy has some persimmon trees but it's going to really start cooling down soon. I don't know if there's time for a graft to establish. So my options appear to be:
1) try to graft on a tree and hop it takes before it gets too cold
2) try to root the cuttings
3) try to graft on a small tree (if he has one) and nurse it over the winter.
What are your thoughts?
GoodFriendMike
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Try and root. If you fail. Will your buddy be able to give you a cutting when the time for grafting is right? If so. Start looking into rootstock.
RandyK
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I think this sounds like an excellent plan. It looks like you could get some great rootstock right now from this place:
https://www.grimonut.com/index.php?p=Products,Search
Not sure how far this is from you...
But I think there are other great options up there too. I'm just not sure how many have stock this late in the year. But if you got one or a couple of these now, you could get a "leg up" on getting it established for next spring to graft onto.
DallasFigShop
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I would try at different times during the year if you can get more... i have failed a few times with persimmon but i havent put my all into it... I would guess that if it worked the Cadmium would have to be exposed scarified well which is true with most harder wood
the best way with hardwoods imo is to try at differnt times during the year...I think some work better during the growing season and after the leaves have developed... my Ginkgo experiments have shown that with close to 100% just rooting in rainwater, but a month before the leaves have fully expressed i get zero %... a month after mid of hot blarinf summer and still close to 100%...and so it works after the green is no longer moving
Oak are considered very difficult but I read where someone figured out how at some specific point in the year... I think the window is small for conifers too... I was looking into cloning Dwarf Mugo
Peaches have been a challenge for me as well as Persimmons for grafting...for rooting Peaches i have to plant them in the fall just nick them, plant and leave them alone and a good percentage but fewer root if I do it in the spring... I think maybe there is a sweet spot temperature or a range of temps ... alot of stoe fruits peobably root well in bundles in the fridge just like maples but Persimmons are not as likely from all I remember reading
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An air layering tip for peaches i read about but havent tried yet is to not cut all the way around but leave half of the bark connected but remove a panel halfway around to do the air layer ...I may try it this year since my favorite peach is close to 25 years maybe beyond.. I may try it with Persimmon too... since it seems to be a more challenging wood to work with ...
I agree that the best bet would be grafting which seems to work only after the stock is very awake and growing ... ive succeeded with one out of many attempts
the best way with hardwoods imo is to try at differnt times during the year...I think some work better during the growing season and after the leaves have developed... my Ginkgo experiments have shown that with close to 100% just rooting in rainwater, but a month before the leaves have fully expressed i get zero %... a month after mid of hot blarinf summer and still close to 100%...and so it works after the green is no longer moving
Oak are considered very difficult but I read where someone figured out how at some specific point in the year... I think the window is small for conifers too... I was looking into cloning Dwarf Mugo
Peaches have been a challenge for me as well as Persimmons for grafting...for rooting Peaches i have to plant them in the fall just nick them, plant and leave them alone and a good percentage but fewer root if I do it in the spring... I think maybe there is a sweet spot temperature or a range of temps ... alot of stoe fruits peobably root well in bundles in the fridge just like maples but Persimmons are not as likely from all I remember reading
....
An air layering tip for peaches i read about but havent tried yet is to not cut all the way around but leave half of the bark connected but remove a panel halfway around to do the air layer ...I may try it this year since my favorite peach is close to 25 years maybe beyond.. I may try it with Persimmon too... since it seems to be a more challenging wood to work with ...
I agree that the best bet would be grafting which seems to work only after the stock is very awake and growing ... ive succeeded with one out of many attempts
Spectrum
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