Persistent Capri.

Bofig said:
LSU dc2 persistent capri. If one were to only pick the first photo or Main or mammoni or whatever you wish to call it you would have no idea it’s a male fig. The second photo with the profichi and pollen. While there may be minimal pollen one would never know based on how much pulp and fluid there is. This would not be suitable for a wasp in anyway. My understanding is many if not most persistent capris here in USA appear this way.
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The one I got from you is doing very well. :)
 
GoodFriendMike said:
My statement has to do with both experience and lots of reading. The part (most likely because of the addition of Hamma) means. I believe it to be the case. As hamma was brought there very early on. As I said that information is easy to find. You should look into it.
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Sorry, at this time it is just fairy stories. I have a huge amount of local wasp/Caprifig/Fig data, and all of the planting and growing records from the massive orchard that was in this area in the early 1900's, every fig ever planted there, and there was never any breeding attempted at that time.

Of all of the almost 50 Caprifig trees that are now known to me here, they are all Ficus Carica Caprifigs, and there is nothing to suggest anything different. The only different Caprifig or Female tree I have found, is a Female Palmata that is some distance from me at the other side of the city, it is not old, and I have a tree growing from that.

You certainly may believe what you will, but until anything is ever proven, and I will be sure to mention anything if it is, it is still fairy stories, or guesses, and I believe we have already had more than enough of them pushed at us over the years, most now debunked, fortunately.
 
Rob said:
Sorry, at this time it is just fairy stories. I have a huge amount of local wasp/Caprifig/Fig data, and all of the planting and growing records from the massive orchard that was in this area in the early 1900's, every fig ever planted there, and there was never any breeding attempted at that time.

Of all of the almost 50 Caprifig trees that are now known to me here, they are all Ficus Carica Caprifigs, and there is nothing to suggest anything different. The only different Caprifig or Female tree I have found, is a Female Palmata that is some distance from me at the other side of the city, it is not old, and I have a tree growing from that.

You certainly may believe what you will, but until anything is ever proven, and I will be sure to mention anything if it is, it is still fairy stories, or guesses, and I believe we have already had more than enough of them pushed at us over the years, most now debunked, fortunately.
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Can you show photos of your different crops and then show photos of your persistent capri crops?

I think that would solve the issue entirely. It would be extremely hard if you have wasps to guarantee they are persistent I’m guessing, so have you sent cuttings of these figs to non wasps areas and in return got photos of ripened fruit similar to what you see.

Understanding genetics could show the retained genes for pollen in all crops but decades of back crossing could bring a different persistent type compared to what is found here mostly. Unless you have proof these are ripening without the wasp or pollination in all three crops you both could be right to a degree and may be arguing different points.
 
Rob said:
Sorry, at this time it is just fairy stories. I have a huge amount of local wasp/Caprifig/Fig data, and all of the planting and growing records from the massive orchard that was in this area in the early 1900's, every fig ever planted there, and there was never any breeding attempted at that time.

Of all of the almost 50 Caprifig trees that are now known to me here, they are all Ficus Carica Caprifigs, and there is nothing to suggest anything different. The only different Caprifig or Female tree I have found, is a Female Palmata that is some distance from me at the other side of the city, it is not old, and I have a tree growing from that.

You certainly may believe what you will, but until anything is ever proven, and I will be sure to mention anything if it is, it is still fairy stories, or guesses, and I believe we have already had more than enough of them pushed at us over the years, most now debunked, fortunately.
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Robin, I believe you are over looking a lot of proven information to try and prove some kind of point. Not sure what it is. But I can assure you breeding happened whether by wasp or purposely. Please go back and research some more. I don't post fairy tales. Theories maybe. But not fairy tales. I must say many of my theories have been proven. And many more will. History is there for you to find if you choose to do so. I politely say I will be no more part of this conversation on the forum. You may PM me anytime.
 
I, like Mr. @Bofig, feel that the two professors have different approaches in their reasoning and methods of proof. I hope their discussions about Caprifig will proceed in a peaceful and constructive manner, because I understand that a rupture between them would be a great loss to the contemporary world of figs.
 
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