GoodFriendMike
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Seems most if not all true persistent Capri only produce two crops. Profichi and an edible Mammoni. Not sure why but interesting. 
Persistent Capri.
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GoodFriendMike
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They don’t even try to produce them. I have a theory on it.
GoodFriendMike
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To add to this. This is only true of Ficus Carica throughout the world except Australia. The Caprifig's in that area of the world are different most likely because of the addition of Hamma. A Carica/palmata hybrid persistent Capri that was brought there early on. This would explain the pollen in other crops besides the profichi. That is often seen there.
Bofig
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On the (unspeakable) forum there is an Australian who made mention of mains or mammoni not looking like female figs there as ours do here with persistent capris. When I mentioned they would almost appear like a female fig it was like I got treated the same as spreading misinformation.
GoodFriendMike
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If you look at BrianM's photo's or Venturabananas's photo's of Saleeb. Or look at all the photo's of Capri Q going around. The mammoni look and taste like female figs. You can find photo's of others as well. Just not as easily.
Bofig
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That’s exactly what I said in response but like I said, They did not want to believe it lol.
GoodFriendMike
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When it come to Capri. There are many things people do not want to believe. Like some Capri do have some long style flowers. Which goes against what is written in most books and studies.
GoodFriendMike
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It ripens them and the profichi with out wasp. It is a truly persistent Capri.
As you mentioned, you will no longer respond to my posts, (your choice), but I am at a loss to believe you have said this, especially since in no other parts of the world that I know of, including the US, is there documentation on it. How will we ever know exactly what cuttings were ever shipped anywhere early on, or even now? What pictures like mine have you seen from other countries, to tell you this? Many studies may mention the small amount of male flowers in the Mamme and Mammoni, but in almost all Caprifigs, there are some Male flowers. I only have documentation/pictures on it because I have done the work myself, it's high time others did the same for all wild Caprifigs so growers knew what was possible, without the guessing that people do.
I have asked Finn Kjellberg this question, and his reply is below....and where there are male anthers, there is always a possibility of pollen on maturity.
Hi Robin,
There are generally a few anthers in all male figs.
GoodFriendMike
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We have talked many times about the Capri in Australia being different than anywhere else. Hamma was brought there early on. I am sure you found that information as well. And would explain why your Capri are so different. Even here is the U.S. you can see the difference’s in wild fig populations due to what was originally planted. I have found a good bit of documentation on what Capri were brought here and where they were planted.
GoodFriendMike
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I know your memory is very good. When you first started your fig journey. I said your Capri are different than anywhere else. I was thinking maybe they crossed with the native sandpaper figs. Even tho they have a different wasp. I have been following as many conversation's online as I can about Capri. Also reading alot. I saw Richard mention Hamma in a conversation with you. That is when it clicked. I have been thinking of your native ficus. When palmata is the answer I have been looking for. Hamma was brought there early on. That is easy to find. Palmata was brought there early on as well. Just not sure how early. But the interbreeding between the two would explain why your Capri are different. Not a bad thing at all.
Mike, I honestly believe that if you were in a wasp area there, your perspective on a lot of this would change dramatically. Over the entire season in the northern hemisphere, I have posted a lot of photos all over the fig world, and it is now very clear that pollen is certainly seen on other crops, not just Profichi, and in many parts of the world, but people really need to look closely, including California. With my photos that I share, people are now able to view parts of figs much clearer than Condit, Eisen, and others tried to show us back in the early 1900's, these are in focus and in colour, and they are looking more closely, and noting what I am seeing. I would be very happy if we actually had something that was just so totally different, and greatly beneficial to the rest of the world, and I would share it very willingly to help, but it is just untrue.
GoodFriendMike
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You are forgetting. I did have the wasp and at the time over 50 Capri varieties. Just to add a little to this. The edible Capri here are like the edible female figs. No need to remove any sections. That is only if the profichi is edible. You could still eat the dryer bottom section. But it is quite nutty and not very pleasant. Your conversation with figsme. (yes I follow Capri post very closely) In Cali there are some Caprifigs similar to yours. But here we know them to be hybrids. Carica x palmata or Carica x pseudo-carica which some believe to be palmata. The imperial valley here has Capri somewhat like yours. Think you may know why by what was planted at peabody's place? Your Capri are unique. And may benefit many. Yes we have learned much. But there is still much to learn. Keep an open mind and search all possibilities. The puzzle only gets harder.
I will always keep an open mind, that is certain, and while I understand you did have wasps for a short period, it is certainly nothing like seeing Caprifigs full of wasps on wild trees, and monitoring their progress over several years, with countless pictures and videos, and three generations of wasps each year.
While you saw the comment from Figsme, unfortunately you have not read all of the pm's I receive from others around the fig world, telling me similar stories.
Although the edible Caprifigs you see there may be edible without removing any of the fig, many others do not see that from what I am told and read often?
Having said that, I am certainly not here to convince you of anything, and I would never try, but making statements like you did, without real evidence seems wrong to me....we are different.
While you saw the comment from Figsme, unfortunately you have not read all of the pm's I receive from others around the fig world, telling me similar stories.
Although the edible Caprifigs you see there may be edible without removing any of the fig, many others do not see that from what I am told and read often?
Having said that, I am certainly not here to convince you of anything, and I would never try, but making statements like you did, without real evidence seems wrong to me....we are different.
GoodFriendMike
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Bofig
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LSU dc2 persistent capri. If one were to only pick the first photo or Main or mammoni or whatever you wish to call it you would have no idea it’s a male fig. The second photo with the profichi and pollen. While there may be minimal pollen one would never know based on how much pulp and fluid there is. This would not be suitable for a wasp in anyway. My understanding is many if not most persistent capris here in USA appear this way.
