Longshoreman strike

NYCfigs

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Good morning, everyone!

Longshoremen on the East and Gulf coasts went on strike last night.  I don't know how this will effect our thing, if at all.  It's better to be safe than sorry.  If you're in need of fig growing supplies, stock up now.  There's no need to panic or break the bank.  If you've been putting off a purchase, keep it in mind when passing the big box store, local hydro shop, nursery, etc, or shopping on Amazon:

  • fertilizer
  • insecticide
  • nursery pots
  • potting mix
  • perlite
  • peat
  • organza bags
  • pruners
  • watering can
  • gloves
  • grow lights
  • plant ties
  • spray bottle
  • garden stakes
 
Yup heard about it and I'm sure it will create disturbances. Crazy world unfortunately.
 
I can understand the automation argument with their strike, I don't trust machines and their jobs are dangerous enough.
I did a few months worth of work at one of the Philly marine terminals last winter and was talking with a couple of the union longshoremen.  They were telling me that the top forklift driver made $219,00.00 that year and that all of the senior forkilift drivers make $175,000.00 a year.  crazy to me that they are demanding such a big increase when it seems they are making so much already.


I can understand the automation argument with their strike, I don't trust machines and their jobs are dangerous enough.
I did a few months worth of work at one of the Philly marine terminals last winter and was talking with a couple of the union longshoremen.  They were telling me that the top forklift driver made $219,00.00 that year and that all of the senior forkilift drivers make $175,000.00 a year.  crazy to me that they are demanding such a big increase when it seems they are making so much already.
 
DCallahan said:
I can understand the automation argument with their strike, I don't trust machines and their jobs are dangerous enough.
I did a few months worth of work at one of the Philly marine terminals last winter and was talking with a couple of the union longshoremen.  They were telling me that the top forklift driver made $219,00.00 that year and that all of the senior forkilift drivers make $175,000.00 a year.  crazy to me that they are demanding such a big increase when it seems they are making so much already.


I can understand the automation argument with their strike, I don't trust machines and their jobs are dangerous enough.
I did a few months worth of work at one of the Philly marine terminals last winter and was talking with a couple of the union longshoremen.  They were telling me that the top forklift driver made $219,00.00 that year and that all of the senior forkilift drivers make $175,000.00 a year.  crazy to me that they are demanding such a big increase when it seems they are making so much already.



One thing you can’t deny is they have leverage and it seems they are willing to use it.
 
Back in the day my uncles Vito and Mario both worked "down the docks".  I would hear arguments about wages all the time.  Neither of them made the kind of dough @"DCallahan"#71 mentions.  But they did okay and I definitely got an education about the dangers of the job and how important those jobs are to our economy/way of life.  

All that aside, we have to take care of the figs and my goal was to motivate to buy anything you may need to get that accomplished.
 
@"NYCfigs"#27 @"ktrain"#2 Gentle figfanatic members. Please allow me a few words to defend the Vito's, and Mario's working on today's Longshore shipping docks. While longshoreman do make relatively good money. They make it mostly like everybody else in our society these days. They make it by doubling, and tripling working shifts. Nobody works 40 hours anymore. Also Trust, and Believe you will get hurt on the waterfront. People may be talking forklifts, but they're really discussing top lifts/called top picks. Those are the Giant lifts with 6 ft tires, that pick up entire containers loading them on truck chassis, train rail cars, or stacking them four to six containers high on the docks. Those containers are then moved around as needed by trans-tainers. Insanely huge drivable cranes that straddle endless rows of five and six High stacked containers for loading, giant International freighters, these are delivered to the Giant 200' plus foot high cranes that line the ports. Loading, and unloading the Giant ships 24 hours a day that deliver International Commerce. Also the rail cars, and trucks that deliver our Goods by rail , and trucks across our nation's highways.

When these workers get hurt, which inevitably happens nobody gets a real or Fair settlement. I myself am a crippled West Coast longshoreman. We cannot Sue the companies we work for in the same way that other Americans can pursue legal remedies we must use specific attorneys that have already been bought off by the employers. This is done under the train, and ship workers Act. We cannot just go and find our own attorney to defend us. We must use attorneys already bought off by the employers You've Lost Your Case before you enter the courtroom.

When I joined the West Coast ILWU Longshore Union local 10. I was one of three workers who formed an informal partnership.
We all came in at to the workforce at the same time. We were part of an indoctrination group of 280 workers. They killed so many of us, and maimed many more. I myself am reminded of my years on the waterfront by the extreme pain I Endure every day. There was no settlement for me. I was just thrown away. Of my informal group of three co-workers all three suffered severe injuries. We all had to pursue legal remedies under the shipbuilders, and workers ACT. Nobody got paid off for their injuries. Settlement claims go on for a decade, or even more. Please do not be so quick to judge these workers who gambled their lives every day to try to financially take care of their families. I will spend my entire day hobbling on two canes. I do this everyday. At least I wasn't killed like so many of my coworkers. Of course they want higher wages. When they get hurt that's pretty much the end of their employability.

Minimum wage in many states is $20 plus an hour. In California where I live it's mandated by law. We will be paying off the Financial effects of the pandemic the rest of their lives, like we all will.. I already said they're working eight, or 10 shifts a week trying to stay financially ahead in our inflationary environment.

Please forgive this chaotically written post. I'm just trying to give you a quick 5 minute overview of some of the conditions that exist at our nation's ports, East Coast and West Coast Longshore unions. I'm not even addressing automation. Where these fantastically wealthy fools are planning to automate all of us out of our jobs.
 
Excellent heads up. If it becomes necessary, those of you near the Canadian border may be able to make the drive over to get what you need. Most of this stuff can be brought back without issue.
 
Hey gang… I know there were no I’ll intentions when this thread was posted. I don’t know if dipped into the realm of the political. Im sure we don’t want it to go that way. 

It’s clear that this is a subject that really hits close to home for some. All I can ask of everyone is that we try to be sensitive to one another. Without respect here, we really don’t have much.
 
I feel like the thread turned to current events and avoided politics.  Responses were members giving their first hand experiences related to the subject. But I defer to the judgement of the moderators and staff.
 
Sorry if my post implied there were politics involved, that was me biting my tongue at what I think is really going on.


Figless said:
(((You guys are heartbreaking))).

Sorry if you thought my post was in response to your post. I didn't think any of the posts were political and I have sympathy for all those injured or killed. I wanted to say some things about ongoing political issues but not on this forum.
 
My fellow members, thank you for giving the subject some of the attention I believed it deserved. I read all your comments , and it made me feel more hopeful about many things. My grandson came home a little late for his dinner, . I made him a wonderful dinner, and we actually spent over an hour talking about figfanatics, and also the longshoreman thread, and my post. The first thing I should say is how much I admire @"NYCfigs"#27. @"Figology"#21 @"DCallahan"#71.
((Really all of you)). It's an honor to be here with you. I do care very much about this platform. Maybe I care too much, but it is my fervent hope that we are all about creating something new, and very special on this Figfanatic platform. I may even have held a record in writing my first thousand public posts, in that other forum. But I was an iceberg. Most of my posts were PM private messages. Easily over 3000 of them. I had close to a thousand messages in just one thread. It was with my Fig cultivation, and propagation teacher. A very special relationship, but sadly he did not follow me over here. I had to leave the friends I made in that other Forum platform.
(((Like we all have))). I had hundreds of messages in a teaching thread to my student in the Netherlands. I made fig grower friends in Japan, and the Czech Republic. Like many of us who made friendships overseas. Because I am severely handicapped, I made friends with others who were also handicapped. . Like all of you it was it was hard to leave all that in the other forum. But mostly I made friends with a moderator. We shared a thread that was hundreds of posts long. He guided me on many things. When he left the other forum platform I searched my soul, and I followed him here. He had shared with me some of his vision, and I wanted to help him to achieve that vision. He certainly isn't about copying the old place. He's up to something new, and amazing. We are all here at the right place, and the right time to build something wonderful together.
 
In case you hadn't heard.

[font=NPRSerif, serif]The strike
by tens of thousands of dockworkers on the East and Gulf coasts has been called off, after the International Longshoremen's Association and the United States Maritime Alliance, representing ocean carriers and port operators, reached a tentative agreement on wages.[/font]

[font=NPRSerif, serif]The two sides have agreed to a 62% wage increase over six years, according to sources who were familiar with the deal, but not authorized to speak publicly about it. The union had been seeking a 77% increase over six years. A day before the strike began, the companies had offered nearly 50% in raises.[/font]
[font=NPRSerif, serif]The parties have also agreed to extend the existing contract until Jan. 15, 2025. They will return between now and then to the bargaining table to negotiate all other outstanding issues, including the union's demand of a ban on all automation at the ports.[/font]
 
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