GoodFriendMike
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bushdoctor82 said:
I agree. It should cater to all.
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I agree. It should cater to all.
Rigo007
Member
Figless said:
It all sounds great and all and what I'm about to say may hurt some or ruffle some feathers but it's the truth ( @torontojoe should know how I "speak" just by how write)
A "forum" is just that, a forum. You simply just can't create everything you wish to have. Look at the other forum. They have been trying to create a "database, glossary" and so on. It's not a simple task. They've been around (like many others) for many, many years and still, nothing. It's not you or the members, it's the program.
This is a pre-made system, intended to do one thing only, a forum. Even on my site Fig Database , I added a forum, just for fun but the reason why I can add and do anything is because the main site is hard coded. Meaning, I can create anything however I want. Design wise, actions, backend, front-end, changes, access etc etc. The forum part is separate but I can "semi" make both sides work together.
There are just too many sites trying to do what others already have. But forums, auctions sites and or sales sites can't do. You can "add" stuff like pages or things like that but if you're using a pre-made program, you're limited.
Fig Database for 2025 will start changing and I may start focusing on it starting then. We'll see what happens.
By the way @torontojoe , Mike did try to buy me out a while ago and I declined. He may say it isn't so now so he doesn't look dumb but he did ask me to sell. Now I'm definitely not selling. Still waiting for your phone call to chat. Not business wise but collaboration instead.
GoodFriendMike
Moderator
I still think the best database was the old F4F. But I think we can do better here over time. That all depends on the members.We will see. I can create the best Capri database without any help. And it will be correct. But what fun is that?Rigo007 said:
RosyPosy
Well-known member
There is more that definitely can be done within a forum. The problem is always who has control, because they limit the forum for what it can be or do. If the owner has the vision and the will to do it, it will be done. If they don’t have the vision, and/or don’t let those who do have vision able to do anything, then it will never grow.
That was the problem with OF, lots of people saw things that could be improved, but no one who had the ability to implement those things did anything. It turned into an unorganized mess of data that was hard to find anything in. (This isn’t a criticism intended for anyone here before feathers get ruffled.
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The other problem is too many voices being listened to, like the phrase, too many cooks in a kitchen. That can turn a forum into a mess trying to please everyone.
Ultimately, what a forum is, what it accomplishes, is up to the owner. That is what OF was, that is what FF will be, and that is what figdatabase is.
But yes, a type of database can be done with forum software, and yes a type of glossary can be done. It could’ve been done at OF too, the features just weren’t ever used properly.
That was the problem with OF, lots of people saw things that could be improved, but no one who had the ability to implement those things did anything. It turned into an unorganized mess of data that was hard to find anything in. (This isn’t a criticism intended for anyone here before feathers get ruffled.
)The other problem is too many voices being listened to, like the phrase, too many cooks in a kitchen. That can turn a forum into a mess trying to please everyone.
Ultimately, what a forum is, what it accomplishes, is up to the owner. That is what OF was, that is what FF will be, and that is what figdatabase is.
But yes, a type of database can be done with forum software, and yes a type of glossary can be done. It could’ve been done at OF too, the features just weren’t ever used properly.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
Inflorescence said:There is more that definitely can be done within a forum. The problem is always who has control, because they limit the forum for what it can be or do. If the owner has the vision and the will to do it, it will be done. If they don’t have the vision, and/or don’t let those who do have vision able to do anything, then it will never grow.
That was the problem with OF, lots of people saw things that could be improved, but no one who had the ability to implement those things did anything. It turned into an unorganized mess of data that was hard to find anything in. (This isn’t a criticism intended for anyone here before feathers get ruffled.
The other problem is too many voices being listened to, like the phrase, too many cooks in a kitchen. That can turn a forum into a mess trying to please everyone.
Ultimately, what a forum is, what it accomplishes, is up to the owner. That is what OF was, that is what FF will be, and that is what figdatabase is.
But yes, a type of database can be done with forum software, and yes a type of glossary can be done. It could’ve been done at OF too, the features just weren’t ever used properly.
There's technical collaboration for sure... and what I'm hoping for. also.... intellectual collaboration
RosyPosy
Well-known member
TorontoJoe said:There's technical collaboration for sure... and what I'm hoping for. also.... intellectual collaboration
Hope what I said didn’t come across in any personal way, it wasn’t intended like that, but as a generalization for any forum. Just wanted to clarify in case.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
If anyone knows of sites that have what you consider to be a good glossary, please post links here.
bushdoctor82
Well-known member
TorontoJoe said:
I don’t visit many sites, so I don’t have any online references, but I was envisioning something similar to my Plant Taxonomy and Plant Field Guide books, but more fig specific while also covering basic botanical terminology.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
I posted in "how to use this forum" a brief about Quick Search however, the main reason for my having it installed here is that I think it may be our best solution for a Glossary. I consulted with two very experienced XenForo developers. They both tole me that in all their years, nobody had ever requested a glossary. To which I replied, "yeah, fig people are special"
It was suggested to me that quick search might solve this for us. When someone searches for a term, it'll certainly bring up that term as mentioned in other threads but if we build and maintain a forum dedicated to being the "glossary of terms" it will be very effective in quickly finding whatever relevant information the glossary "gatekeeper" has published there. I just need to determine where the Glossary thread should reside. Because it likely needs to all be contained in a single thread..... it might be something like Info > Glossary(forum) > Glossary of Terms(thread) - where no more threads could be added and only people managing the glossary having the ability to add or remove glossary entries.
Please noodle this around and let me know what you all think
It was suggested to me that quick search might solve this for us. When someone searches for a term, it'll certainly bring up that term as mentioned in other threads but if we build and maintain a forum dedicated to being the "glossary of terms" it will be very effective in quickly finding whatever relevant information the glossary "gatekeeper" has published there. I just need to determine where the Glossary thread should reside. Because it likely needs to all be contained in a single thread..... it might be something like Info > Glossary(forum) > Glossary of Terms(thread) - where no more threads could be added and only people managing the glossary having the ability to add or remove glossary entries.
Please noodle this around and let me know what you all think
Figgerlickinggood
Well-known member
I’ve never heard of the word mess but I have a good idea what that means. Wonder how that got through any sensors.
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GoodFriendMike
Moderator
That was fixed in the old platform. Hmm not sure how it made it's way back in this one. Thank's for pointing that out. @Figgerlickinggood it has been fixed. Thanks again.
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RosyPosy
Well-known member
Can I ask if putting in multiple hyperlinks in a thread bulks up the system? I have an idea for a basic glossary, done in a similar method to my recent rooting thread.I posted in "how to use this forum" a brief about Quick Search however, the main reason for my having it installed here is that I think it may be our best solution for a Glossary. I consulted with two very experienced XenForo developers. They both tole me that in all their years, nobody had ever requested a glossary. To which I replied, "yeah, fig people are special"
It was suggested to me that quick search might solve this for us. When someone searches for a term, it'll certainly bring up that term as mentioned in other threads but if we build and maintain a forum dedicated to being the "glossary of terms" it will be very effective in quickly finding whatever relevant information the glossary "gatekeeper" has published there. I just need to determine where the Glossary thread should reside. Because it likely needs to all be contained in a single thread..... it might be something like Info > Glossary(forum) > Glossary of Terms(thread) - where no more threads could be added and only people managing the glossary having the ability to add or remove glossary entries.
Please noodle this around and let me know what you all think
I don’t feel a search is the same because the point of a glossary is to give you a definition of a word. Whereas a search just brings up all of the threads with that word in it, the search won’t define it.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
Another option I’m exploring is something called keyword linking. That’s where we create the glossary sort of in the back end. Wherever the word or term occurs anywhere in the forum… You can hover over it and it will open up the explanation. I just gotta figure out how it works. It’s kind of like when you hover over a forum title with desktop and it gives you a brief description of what’s inside. I also don’t know how this would work in mobile
Figgerlickinggood
Well-known member
That was fixed in the old platform. Hmm not sure how it made it's way back in this one. Thank's for pointing that out. @Figgerlickinggood it has been fixed. Thanks again.
Figgerlickinggood
Well-known member
@GoodFriendMike the word is still there where I quoted him.
GoodFriendMike
Moderator
I think it is better known.
warpcore
Well-known member
It seems the Quick Search currently is only searching for the word in the thread titles. It doesn't search within each thread, so a single thread for a glossary may not work unless there is a different option setting for the Quick Search.I posted in "how to use this forum" a brief about Quick Search however, the main reason for my having it installed here is that I think it may be our best solution for a Glossary. I consulted with two very experienced XenForo developers. They both tole me that in all their years, nobody had ever requested a glossary. To which I replied, "yeah, fig people are special"
It was suggested to me that quick search might solve this for us. When someone searches for a term, it'll certainly bring up that term as mentioned in other threads but if we build and maintain a forum dedicated to being the "glossary of terms" it will be very effective in quickly finding whatever relevant information the glossary "gatekeeper" has published there. I just need to determine where the Glossary thread should reside. Because it likely needs to all be contained in a single thread..... it might be something like Info > Glossary(forum) > Glossary of Terms(thread) - where no more threads could be added and only people managing the glossary having the ability to add or remove glossary entries.
Please noodle this around and let me know what you all think
The main search (including the Advanced search option) seems to also return incomplete results. When searching By Member, it does not return all posts by that member.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
I'm going further in the Keyword Linking direction. Sort of like wiki I suppose. There is one other option I can think of but it's more of a last resort and a ton of work to set up.
This is what Keyword Linking would look like... But I can't imagine how it would work on mobile given there's nothing to hover over. The research continues.
TorontoJoe
Administrator
There's nothing stopping us from just creating a Glossary forum with defined users having the ability to add and edit. It would just need to be managed and kept organized.