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ktrain

ktrain

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All the talk of fig pops raises a question for me, being a tree pot (4x9) rooter.

What is everyone preferred bag size and your success rate using them?
I have decided to fig pop this year and I think the bags I have might be too big.

Does too big a bag hold too much moisture and promote root rot?
Sort of like talking a rooted cutting and putting it in a 10g pot.
 
Just get 12x16 produce bags and wrap the 4x9 pot in them and save yourself the trouble since your gonna uppot to a 4x9 anyways. If you want the bags for figpops though the 4x12 uline work good.
 
Figjake said:
Just get 12x16 produce bags and wrap the 4x9 pot in them and save yourself the trouble since your gonna uppot to a 4x9 anyways. If you want the bags for figpops though the 4x12 uline work good.
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I never up pot to a 4x9...usually go to a 1 or 2g from tree pots.
What is the benefit going from a fig pop bag to a tree pot, seems there is barely any upgrade as far as space.
I have done fig pops in the past...I just like the direct pot method better.
However....I feel I want to just pop this year. lol
 
I love these bags, but I would not buy them rn since the price doubled since I bought them last. I like their level of permeability, too.


As to your question as to “Does too big a bag hold too much moisture and promote root rot?” I don’t think it’s just the size of the bag, since my pops are pretty huge - I fill those babies up! I think it’s the permeability/breathability of the bags too. Too thick a bag reduces permeability, which increases moisture, which means if you’re going to use a thicker bag, you have to have more of an eagle eye about rot. Which is why I like these, since I am a set it and forget it kinda gardener.
 
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ktrain said:
I never up pot to a 4x9...usually go to a 1 or 2g from tree pots.
What is the benefit going from a fig pop bag to a tree pot, seems there is barely any upgrade as far as space.
I have done fig pops in the past...I just like the direct pot method better.
However....I feel I want to just pop this year. lol
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My grow room has no room for round pots lol. It’s packed pretty tight right now and about to get even tighter 😅. I have probably 50-60 pops on the bottom that I made for extras. I gotta do something with them or they are gonna tap out on me.
 

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ktrain said:
I never up pot to a 4x9...usually go to a 1 or 2g from tree pots.
What is the benefit going from a fig pop bag to a tree pot, seems there is barely any upgrade as far as space.
I have done fig pops in the past...I just like the direct pot method better.
However....I feel I want to just pop this year. lol
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Only benefit to going to a 4x9, being storage/space consideration. I think most consider them the minimum pot size for long term housing. What I dont get is people going from a 4x9 to a one gallon. Pretty much similar volume, just different shape.

If you have the room, I would stick with a 4x9 enclosed in a bag. Really best of both worlds. I do fig pops only because I have indoor space restrictions, not because it’s my favorite method.
 
ktrain said:
I never up pot to a 4x9...usually go to a 1 or 2g from tree pots.
What is the benefit going from a fig pop bag to a tree pot, seems there is barely any upgrade as far as space.
I have done fig pops in the past...I just like the direct pot method better.
However....I feel I want to just pop this year. lol
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I believe the preference is situational, at least for me, space limitation is the #1 factor in determining what method I use.
When I have 80 cuttings, I start with pops, then 4x9, I like the ability of adding the amendments (myco, azos) during transplant to tree pot.
Closer to spring, I favor tree pots, set and forget till spring then up pot to 5 gallons.
But, my favorite is 4x9 wrapped in plastic bag.
 
ktrain said:
All the talk of fig pops raises a question for me, being a tree pot (4x9) rooter.

What is everyone preferred bag size and your success rate using them?
I have decided to fig pop this year and I think the bags I have might be too big.

Does too big a bag hold too much moisture and promote root rot?
Sort of like talking a rooted cutting and putting it in a 10g pot.
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I put one log in a 5 gal pot this year. It hasn't done any thing yet, not sure it'll make it though.

I do both bags (4x11 or 14) to tree pots (all different sizes) or soda bottles.
 
In the fall, I said I wouldn't do any cuttings...well, we now know how that resolution went 🥰 - Im growing 70+ cuttings for our rehab facility...so of course i added a few for myself.

Because of that original resolution, however, I didn't have a whole bale of promix. So I did a mixture of fig pops and bagged tree pots, to stretch the medium.

I also did fig pops because of all the joy brought to us by @BucksCountyFigs and her Mighty Roots 🌱 😍

I used these bags and I liked them: no splitting, not too thick, not too thin. Just right

 
I have many 4x9 pots and honestly I prefer 24 oz clear cups in a tote bin.. they just fit better. For bags on the 4x9 I just use a sandwich bag on the bottom and seems to work..
 
Maybe I am missing something here. Maybe not. I was under the impression that tree pots, 3x8 or 4x9, held two purposes. 1 being to root them to up pot to a 4,5, or 7 gallon more permanent pot. Or 2 for shipping. I agree that moving pop to a tree pot seems a waste and only leads to yet another up pot if you are keeping them for yourself. I have been moving my pops to tree pots knowing they barely fit and only have a little more space. But of the ones I have moved, I plan to give away, or maybe sell. Tree pots are relatively cheap so it makes sense to move a pop to a tree pot if you need to move it via shipping or local sell. But I agree with several others comments. If you are keeping the cutting, why waste soil, time, and risk of transplant shock to move a pop to anything other than a 4+ gallon pot. This is my first year truly rooting cuttings at scale so any advice is much appreciated!!
 
MyFigStix said:
Maybe I am missing something here. Maybe not. I was under the impression that tree pots, 3x8 or 4x9, held two purposes. 1 being to root them to up pot to a 4,5, or 7 gallon more permanent pot. Or 2 for shipping. I agree that moving pop to a tree pot seems a waste and only leads to yet another up pot if you are keeping them for yourself. I have been moving my pops to tree pots knowing they barely fit and only have a little more space. But of the ones I have moved, I plan to give away, or maybe sell. Tree pots are relatively cheap so it makes sense to move a pop to a tree pot if you need to move it via shipping or local sell. But I agree with several others comments. If you are keeping the cutting, why waste soil, time, and risk of transplant shock to move a pop to anything other than a 4+ gallon pot. This is my first year truly rooting cuttings at scale so any advice is much appreciated!!
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All these are valid considerations. What you plan to do with the tree should be a consideration. If you're going to ship it straight from the pot it was rooted in, you probably don't want to deal with an up-pot
 
MyFigStix said:
Maybe I am missing something here. Maybe not. I was under the impression that tree pots, 3x8 or 4x9, held two purposes. 1 being to root them to up pot to a 4,5, or 7 gallon more permanent pot. Or 2 for shipping. I agree that moving pop to a tree pot seems a waste and only leads to yet another up pot if you are keeping them for yourself. I have been moving my pops to tree pots knowing they barely fit and only have a little more space. But of the ones I have moved, I plan to give away, or maybe sell. Tree pots are relatively cheap so it makes sense to move a pop to a tree pot if you need to move it via shipping or local sell. But I agree with several others comments. If you are keeping the cutting, why waste soil, time, and risk of transplant shock to move a pop to anything other than a 4+ gallon pot. This is my first year truly rooting cuttings at scale so any advice is much appreciated!!
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Broadly speaking (there are varying degrees) there are two camps of people as far as up-potting is concerned. The gradual up pot people and the rapid up-pot people. Gradual up-pot people believe that going up too large in pot size leads to growth stall out as the plant because the plant then focuses on root production. Rapid up pot people believe that gradual up potting (more up pots) can lead to growth stall because of transplant shock and because the trees are always outgrowing their containers and getting root bound. Both camps believe their way results in best growth.

I have not noticed a definitive correlation either way. What I do is determined by what pots I have, how much potting medium I have on hand, and how much room I have. I have also rooted cuttings directly in a 27 gal SIP. Zero up pot, labor, or transplant shock, because it essentially is the “forever” home.
 
IAK said:
Broadly speaking (there are varying degrees) there are two camps of people as far as up-potting is concerned. The gradual up pot people and the rapid up-pot people. Gradual up-pot people believe that going up too large in pot size leads to growth stall out as the plant because the plant then focuses on root production. Rapid up pot people believe that gradual up potting (more up pots) can lead to growth stall because of transplant shock and because the trees are always outgrowing their containers and getting root bound. Both camps believe their way results in best growth.

I have not noticed a definitive correlation either way. What I do is determined by what pots I have, how much potting medium I have on hand, and how much room I have. I have also rooted cuttings directly in a 27 gal SIP. Zero up pot, labor, or transplant shock, because it essentially is the “forever” home.
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Thank you for the info. I up potted all my air layers last year from the small soil pod to 4 gallon pots. Zero issues!! The soil pod is about half the size of a fig pop. Thank you your confirmation!! Heck I even got figs off those air layers. Only one was any good but still!! 🤣😂
 
MyFigStix said:
Thank you for the info. I up potted all my air layers last year from the small soil pod to 4 gallon pots. Zero issues!! The soil pod is about half the size of a fig pop. Thank you your confirmation!! Heck I even got figs off those air layers. Only one was any good but still!! 🤣😂
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See what I’m saying? A lot of people would put that in a tree pot, 1 gal, 2 gal. The longer you do this, you will find well known, successful growers on opposite ends of every growing parameter from rooting to fruiting.
 
IAK said:
See what I’m saying? A lot of people would put that in a tree pot, 1 gal, 2 gal. The longer you do this, you will find well known, successful growers on opposite ends of every growing parameter from rooting to fruiting.
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I think there are just so many ways to be successful. It’s all about what works for the individual. I up potted air layers to 4 gallon pots because I didn’t know what I was doing yet had 100% success!! So I will be doing the same going forward. But someone else may have tried this and had failure thus will only go to tree pots. I guess what I am am saying is I believe there is no right and no wrong. Do what works for you!! Just like you said!!! We just all have to understand what works for me might not work for everyone else!! Thank you so much for your explanation!!!
 
Also, 1000 fig pop bags $22. Now add up cost 1000 tree pots! My biggest issue is limit indoor space. I can put a whole bunch of fig pops in a tote or cardboard box and don’t have to do anything until I pot them up and move them outside.
 
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