Blackberries

bushdoctor82

Well-known member
If you can grow blackberries in your climate, I suggest you should. Extremely easy to grow, productive and easy to multiply. This is the first season I didn’t prune the laterals and all that touched the soil have rooted with a decent sized rootball - I now have rootballs hanging mid-air after yanking from ground. Not sure how it’ll effect production, but I have cane borers and other pests so I’m trying to eliminate an easy pathway for them.

The main blackberry bramble is a larger mess that I have to deal with in the coming days. Both areas are rarely watered and only fertilized if I have extra organic fertilizer. 

Click for original
IMG-1520.jpg



Click for original
IMG-1522.jpg
 
I love blackberries. I've never really been able to find a good resource on what variety might work well here... blackberryfanatic.com? 

If you have any variety recommendations I'd like to hear. Are there ever-bearing types?

Glad you posted this....
 
@"TorontoJoe"#1 

The Freedom Arc variety, at least here in Ga. stayed green all winter long.
I am still getting some berries from it now....just not a lot.
I cannot say that it will be the same for your northern winters, but sheesh are they big and tasty! (and thornless)
 
TorontoJoe said:
I love blackberries. I've never really been able to find a good resource on what variety might work well here... blackberryfanatic.com? 

If you have any variety recommendations I'd like to hear. Are there ever-bearing types?

Glad you posted this....

I don’t have any recommendations for you unfortunately. I dug up one or two canes from my PopPops place years ago and have been tip rooting and digging up / transplanting them through the years. 

There are at least a few varieties that claim to produce a primocane and floricane crop. The ones I’m growing start producing July 1 and goes steady throughout the month. Even in years where the cane borer is severe with galls up and down the main cane, I get good production. Root knot nematodes don’t appear to bother blackberries either since I’m growing them in / next to the vegetable garden that got destroyed by RKN this year.
 
I'm trying out Prime-Ark Freedom thornless blackberries here in Zone 6. Plant is in ground, for a month now, so should establish fine before winter. Excited to see if it will produce here. Picked a spot next to my postframe building that sees sunshine for about 10-12 hours per day and should be good for adding trellis supports later. The spot is shaded from about 12-2 pm. Interested in varieties that others are growing in zone 6
 
ktrain said:
@"FruitBrute"#140    it's a good one it grows like crazy you're going to like it.
 
Not sure if that's a good or bad attribute to have at this point, judging by the size of my yard lol 😂
 
FruitBrute said:
ktrain said:
@"FruitBrute"#140    it's a good one it grows like crazy you're going to like it.
 
Not sure if that's a good or bad attribute to have at this point, judging by the size of my yard lol 😂

You know, I planted mine in a 4x4 raised bed, but...I allowed it so root into the ground.
1 1/2 yrs in ground and it still has room in the 4x4 area.
It grows very tall quickly.
I think you'll be fine, and it's worth it. :)
 
ktrain said:
FruitBrute said:
ktrain said:
@"FruitBrute"#140    it's a good one it grows like crazy you're going to like it.
 
Not sure if that's a good or bad attribute to have at this point, judging by the size of my yard lol 😂

You know, I planted mine in a 4x4 raised bed, but...I allowed it so root into the ground.
1 1/2 yrs in ground and it still has room in the 4x4 area.
It grows very tall quickly.
I think you'll be fine, and it's worth it. :)

Just hoping that it will do well after total dieback. Hoping it can grow enough primocane to support fruit early enough in a given year to make it worth while. Will the total number of canes produced from year to year continue to increase?
 
@"FruitBrute"#140 

Yea, each year there are more canes,  but they are still in a 3x3 area, but that's probably around 15 or more canes in that area.
I really need to thin it a bit.
We only got really cold for about a week, other than that winter was above 20f.
Never went dormant, was green all through winter.
 
The only Prime-Ark I can find in Canada is tissue culture... Mrrr.... They look awesome....  Mayby Stark Bros will ship here.... they do international
 
Attempted to take on the other blackberry area this morning. I have learned through the years that planning and proper execution of said plan is important - I am still learning as I continually make mistakes.

This area was basically left alone except for harvesting berries this season. I was late to pinch/head the main canes and they quickly grew taller and extended past the supports I had in place. In fear of damaging the crown and roots to drive fence posts in ground, I zip tied a 2x4 and a broken rake handle to the fence for support. Surprisingly, both held up so far. I set an old fence post in the corner and ran a cable to other supports yesterday evening.

Blackberries can grow and spread fast. As mentioned above, that can be both good and bad. If planting against a fence, give yourself some room as the new primocane won’t emerge in the exact position of the old one. I initially planted blackberries +/- 1’ from neighbors fence and up against the black fence/hardware cloth in photos. Some primocanes have emerged in neighbors yard and on the other side of hardware cloth and through the mesh.

I’ll have to thin out some smaller canes and prune back some laterals in the Spring, but I’m calling it complete until then.

Last but not least - Go Phillies!

Click for original
IMG-1545.jpg



Click for original
IMG-1546.jpg
 
@"bushdoctor82"#14   Very nice area you have made up I like that.
Mine are simply in a square raised bed next to blueberries and what used to be a bed of asparagus...took those out.
More berries will go in. :)
 
I'm not really a big fan of blackberries, still trying to clean up my backyard of all of its magically returning Blackberry shoots. I guess as far as I'm concerned therefore the birds.
 
I would try Natchez, Ouachita, Ponca and/or PrimeArk.

I have Ouachita and have tried most of the varieties from the University of Arkansas breeding program.  

https://aaes.uada.edu/fruit-breeding/blackberries/

They have a great series of thornless standing/erect cane varieties that are great producers and can be managed for commercial production.  Also the most cold and heat resistant.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
University of Oregon is the other leading breeding program in the country.

https://agsci.oregonstate.edu/berrycrops/breeding
These are trailing types and aren't that hardy, but are one of the earliest fruiting varieties.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Most fruit on last years growth, so you need them to "survive" the dormant period. I believe Chester (low thorn) and Triple Crown (thornless) are also excellent, and you might try Marion berries if you can, but these are all later fruiting.


If you have trouble overwintering, you should especially consider PrimeArk and the U of A series that produces on first year canes (primocane varieties).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apache: ‘Apache’ is the latest ripening thornless Arkansas variety (~June 25). It is high yielding and has large berry size. It has excellent postharvest potential and is good for shipping. Flavor for ‘Apache’ is considered good (sweet), between ‘Navaho’ and ‘Arapaho.’ The chilling requirement for ‘Apache’ is about 800 hours, one of the higher totals among these varieties along with ‘Navaho’
 
Arapaho – ‘Arapaho’ is the earliest ripening thornless variety (~June 7). It yields lower than ‘Navaho,’ ‘Apache,’ or ‘Ouachita.’ Fruit storage and handling is good. ‘Arapaho’ has a sweet flavor. The chilling requirement for ‘Arapaho’ is around 500 hours.
 
Chickasaw thorny
 
Kiowa –  thorny
 
Natchez – ‘Natchez’ is an early thornless, semi-erect blackberry that ripens around the same time as ‘Arapaho’ (~June 3).  It has large berries (8 to 9 grams), comparable to ‘Apache.’ Yields are comparable to ‘Ouachita’ and ‘Apache,’ and twice that of ‘Arapaho.’  Flavor is good, similar to ‘Arapaho.’ Fruit stores well, so shipping is a possibility.  Chilling requirement is likely around 500 hours.
 
Navaho – an erect, thornless blackberry. The fruit are large and firm, and are less tart than other thornless varieties. They ripen late in the season (~June 20). Only about 65% of root cuttings produce plants, so they are more expensive than most thorned varieties. This variety is moderately resistant to anthracnose, and is known hardy to -14 F in Arkansas.
 
Ouachita–‘Ouachita’ ripens between ‘Arapaho’ and ‘Navaho’ and produces very high yields, among the highest for any Arkansas thornless variety (~June 12). Berry size is larger than ‘Arapaho’ and ‘Navaho,’ but not as large as ‘Apache.’ Postharvest handling is excellent, comparable to ‘Navaho.’ ‘Ouachita’ also has very erect canes. It may have a lower chilling requirement than other Arkansas thornless cultivars, possibly 200-300 hours.
 
@"bushdoctor82"#14 . Not my favorite fruit. I have it in my backyard, but only because it insists on being there. I won't use chemical products to remove it, so I have been fighting a 30-year War. Every time I think I've won it comes back in. The strongest product I use on it is white vinegar. I did win the war of the bamboo. Lol it was a two front War, since both neighbors had it growing on either side of me.
 
Back
Top