Clarification on "Adriatics"

ETXfigs said:
I have read people say in forums things like this when talking about varieties like Green Michurinska, "That's not an Adriatic because it ripens much earlier than Adriatics". This is said by people that have a certain list of the "real Adriatics". In their mind, if it's not on their list, it's not an Adriatic. Does this mean there are no early Adriatics?
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The biggest reason is not the earlier ripening, it's the flavor. GM just doesn't have the same rich, multilayered flavor as WM#1, Angelito, and other 'true' Adriatics have. That said, there is a very strong correlation between ripening time and richness of flavor in figs.
 
ktrain said:
I have to agree with you, Dalmatie does not do well here in Georgia, but all those others are way better.
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I never really had a problem ripening Dalmatie in my climate, with headstart, just like most other figs I grow, but it couldn't even compete with something like WM#1 flavorwise. It wasn't even close in my opinion.
 
The WM#1 cuttings I’ve had in the past failed, but so many people speak so highly of it… I have both Prosciutto and Angelito (assuming Angelito survives rooting). Do these 2 justify the lack of WM#1?
 
Ikibahd said:
The WM#1 cuttings I’ve had in the past failed, but so many people speak so highly of it… I have both Prosciutto and Angelito (assuming Angelito survives rooting). Do these 2 justify the lack of WM#1?
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I'm in a similar situation. I really wanted Prosciutto Unk and I already have WM#1 but my Prosciutto Unk cuttings failed. Besides WM#1, I have Green Ischia, Strawberry Verte, and Nichadam Haven Unk. I don't know if I really need Prosciutto Unk, but my Adriatic collection seems incomplete without it. Also I don't know if I need Adriatic JH. I have heard it is super productive but maybe it would be redundant since I already have Strawberry Verte and Green Ischia.
 
ETXfigs said:
I'm in a similar situation. I really wanted Prosciutto Unk and I already have WM#1 but my Prosciutto Unk cuttings failed. Besides WM#1, I have Green Ischia, Strawberry Verte, and Nichadam Haven Unk. I don't know if I really need Prosciutto Unk, but my Adriatic collection seems incomplete without it. Also I don't know if I need Adriatic JH. I have heard it is super productive but maybe it would be redundant since I already have Strawberry Verte and Green Ischia.
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Oh man....decisions decisions... lol
 
Ikibahd said:
The WM#1 cuttings I’ve had in the past failed, but so many people speak so highly of it… I have both Prosciutto and Angelito (assuming Angelito survives rooting). Do these 2 justify the lack of WM#1?
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I've been growing both Unk Prosciutto and WM#1 for the past 3. The consensus in the family is that WM#1 is a touch thicker and jammier, while UP is a little juicier inside. WM#1 has a touch richer flavor. But it takes a little longer to ripen and the skin can get tough later in the season. I personally felt that UP tastes better earlier in the season (late June - early July), while WM#1 tastes better later in the season. But this is splitting hairs for the most part. They are pretty close and one shold be enough.
 
ETXfigs said:
I'm in a similar situation. I really wanted Prosciutto Unk and I already have WM#1 but my Prosciutto Unk cuttings failed. Besides WM#1, I have Green Ischia, Strawberry Verte, and Nichadam Haven Unk. I don't know if I really need Prosciutto Unk, but my Adriatic collection seems incomplete without it. Also I don't know if I need Adriatic JH. I have heard it is super productive but maybe it would be redundant since I already have Strawberry Verte and Green Ischia.
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I don't know what you mean by 'super productive,' but my UP and WM#1 both have figs at every node for the most part. No complaints here.
 
Figgin' A said:
I don't know what you mean by 'super productive,' but my UP and WM#1 both have figs at every node for the most part. No complaints here.
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That's good, I'm going to cross JH Adriatic off the list. None of my Adriatics did very well last year, but this year I have Nichadam Haven that I don't know much about. Maybe it will turn out to be better than WM#1.
 
This is my take only. I don't expect anyone to follow it. I don't take "Adriatic" to be any different practically than say, "Mt. Etna". Certainly you can find green skinned figs with deep berry flesh in the Adriatic region... as one can on the east coast of Sicily near Mt. Etna. And vice versa....

I don't have any real problem with these sorts of classifications... providing we all get that this is more about the class of fig that it literally relates to the name.... and that it's just something that the community has generally agreed upon as a way to describe certain traits. I think that sort of consistent with linguistics in general.

I think it's more important that we're all speaking the same dialect so we understand that everyone else is referring to.
 
Kompakfigs said:
What the heck. I have both Dalmatie and Stella. I guess both will be adopted by new owners in Sept.
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I agree with what Kevin said above. Give them a try first, then decide. We all grow figs differently, have different tastes and different preferences, resources, and abilities. All those will dictate what figs you grow.

I have to headstart pretty much all of my figs and space is limited. There isn't too big of a difference for me between growing a WM#1 or Unk Prosciutto and a Dalmatie. Dalmatie was never early for me. I'd headstart Dalmatie in a garage on March 1st and it would ripen for me roughly in late August - early September based on my records. WM#1 and UP in the past two years would be headstarted in early February and start ripening in late June (UP) and mid to late July (WM#1). Without a headstart, Dalmatie would not ripen here, so I have to headstart it.

Now, the difference in taste and flavor between Dalmatie and UP / WM#1 was enourmous in my book. Dalmatie paled in comparison. On top of that, it was never what I would call very produtive. WM#1, on the other hand, is always loaded. So is UP. For me, the decision to part ways with Dalmatie was very simple.

If I did not have to headstart my trees and had plenty of space, and considered myseld a fig collector, I would have probably kept it. If I couldn't headstart my figs and WM#1 or UP didn't ripen here but Dalmatie did, I'd keep it for sure. It's a very good fig. Big. Properly ripened interior is gorgeous. But I am not a fig collector and I don't have a lot of space, and I must headstart my figs. All I want is to grow a dozen or so (eventually lol) best tasting fig varieties I can manage to grow well here to feed my family. Dalmatie off the bat did not fit that profile for me.
 
TorontoJoe said:
This is my take only. I don't expect anyone to follow it. I don't take "Adriatic" to be any different practically than say, "Mt. Etna". Certainly you can find green skinned figs with deep berry flesh in the Adriatic region... as one can on the east coast of Sicily near Mt. Etna. And vice versa....

I don't have any real problem with these sorts of classifications... providing we all get that this is more about the class of fig that it literally relates to the name.... and that it's just something that the community has generally agreed upon as a way to describe certain traits. I think that sort of consistent with linguistics in general.

I think it's more important that we're all speaking the same dialect so we understand that everyone else is referring to.
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This is a good take. The classification is something, but it's not everything. It is getting at something, but imperfectly. In short, it is what it is.
 
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