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Blackberries
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Whats your favorite tasting raspberry? Id like to try glencoe i love kokanee main crop and fall gold tastethere are white blackberries though but in the picture that is 100% a raspberry.
I grow ponca and twilight blackberries, ohio treasure and jewel black raspberry, fall gold yellow raspberry, boyne raspberry, and glencoe purple.
Also have purple flowering raspberry which is more of an ornamental.
big rubus lover !
snarfing
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for a yellow i actually like anne best but for some reason i just cant get it to take. My sister grows it in vermont though.
Red raspberry... not sure. I havent tried all that many.
Purple is glencoe
Black- jewel by a mile for me. But I like ohio treasures primocane bearing nature to extend the harvest. Jewel is overall my favorite of any I grow.
I just added twilight this year so we'll see how that works, its semi-trailing and supposedly has some of that flavor from its trailing parents. Trailing blackberries do not do well on the east coast generally.
Yea seems the same for me on the trailing blackberries. They taste great just a pain.
I havent tried anne, i was told not to plant black raspberries near my red or yellow due to spreading disease or is that just wild black raspberries?
Kokanee if you can get it and want red imoMy wife is a raspberry fanatic! They literally make her, "happy". I've been wanting to plant some for her but I don't want to spend loads of time trying to figure out what's going to be most productive, easy to grow and tasty. I'm open to recommendations
Big large tasty berries primocane bloomer very thick up right tree like stems was made by michigan university i beleive. I have had 0 luck propagating it but i bought one a few years ago and havent seen then since...
Or if you orefer lower acidity go with yellow. I havent heard a raspberry person say they didnt like the yellow ones
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snarfing
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I spoke to my extension office because stark has a warning about it on the site, i recommend talking to yours too.
"I do not see a reason to separate them. Either way, I suppose I’d look for varieties of both that are less susceptible to disease. It’s the aphids and other piercing and sucking insects that can vector one disease to another. We see viral diseases in blackberries and raspberries rarely and when we do, it’s advisable to cull the affected plants – the rest typically end up unaffected." Mine are all in one row
Awesome thanjs for info, i have a wild orange type i may just leave them potted for now id be upset if my 2 established bushes got something and needed culled but i also guess if its soread by aphids wont matter if its in a pot if its nearby...hmmm
TorontoJoe
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This is great info. And yes, I was on the fence about floricanes, but if you’ve had experience with them then I’m sold… did the nursery just label it as “black raspberry”? Maybe see if they still have it
TorontoJoe
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I have the Freedom. Got a few berries from it last year but I planted it late so they didn’t ripen really well. Looking forward to some good ones this year.
TorontoJoe
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So this isn’t the sort of plant where tip pruning is going to promote lateral branches and increase yield?
Are there ever cases where thinning promotes better fruiting?
I guess I’m sort of wondering how much I should treat these like a more typical fruit tree
Are there ever cases where thinning promotes better fruiting?
I guess I’m sort of wondering how much I should treat these like a more typical fruit tree
snarfing
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It does indeed. I trim my blackberry varieties to about 4 feet at the end of fall to encourage lateral branching and manage them since if they are too heavy I need to trellis them.
You also want to thin for airflow and so they can concentrate their flavor. I thin down to somewhere around 3-5 a foot max. Trim all dead canes and any of last years florocanes. Weak ones too.
More similar to a rose in growth habit than a tree
Black and purple raspberries i keep them a bit shorter. Somewhere around 3 feet
Figgin' A
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It was one of those things you see everywhere.... here, I found a picture for you.... I got mine from a small nursery by the highway near St Catharines, but I see these pots everywhere... HD, Rona, CT, etc. even Loblaws...
Interestingly, and that's something I did not know at the time, the raspberries in the picture look like black caps,
which is synonymous to black raspberries, but what I am growing looks like this:
Still, these are fantastic. We love them, and I already propagated more and will likely add another bush one this season, unless all those that I am evaluating this year wow me...
But I did add a couple of black cap varieties last year. These are also floricanes. Haven't tasted them yet, but they look great this year, and I hope to get a good harvest...
Figgin' A
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I've been reading more on white balckberries, and the more I read people's feedback, the less I want them... you just reinforced it... I've decided that they are not worth a spot on my garden... oh well...Ugh typed up a whole thing about pruning and my phone refreshed or something
Basically try the bumper crop in spring if its not good (like my kokanee primocane raspberry)prune to the ground after the main. The bumper doesnt have a good taste.
If the bumper tastes good like my fall gold prune it to about 18 inches after main crop is done and then in spring itll bumper crop
I also have what i think is possibly one of the rarest berries in atleast in the north east. On my friends property he has wild black cap raspberries. We found feild mutated orange ones that taste like apricots. And got them propagated this past fall by tip rooting. The picture is the closest thing i can find and not my picture.
Ive eaten the white blackberries and didnt care for them but im also not huge on blackberries over blueberries or raspberries. I also added gooseberries and jostaberry this year.
I have 6 blueberry bushes 3 raspberry bushes 2 blackberry bushes.
Pruning primocanes is funny cause even if ya mess it up you will still get the main crop.
I attempted fall gold 2x before i got the right one. I mustve got something weird in the first one because it was the most vigorous raspberry ive seen theyd crumble into peices when pulling them off didnt taste good and were red. Was supposed to be fall gold. I ripped those out and replaced and got the real fall gold.
The other pic is my blackberries i also wanted to touch in types of blackberry plants theres upright semi upright and vining. The upright seem to have way less pest pressure and they dont seem to spoil as much as my vining blackberries. Maybe its just the type but the upright in the picture is my prefrence
Just some thoughts before figs i was deeply into berries
Id suggest trying them first if possible, they just dont taste the same to me or taste like something i want to continously eat it was hard to explain.
100% the picture on your pots is "black caps"It was one of those things you see everywhere.... here, I found a picture for you.... I got mine from a small nursery by the highway near St Catharines, but I see these pots everywhere... HD, Rona, CT, etc. even Loblaws...
Interestingly, and that's something I did not know at the time, the raspberries in the picture look like black caps,
which is synonymous to black raspberries, but what I am growing looks like this:
Still, these are fantastic. We love them, and I already propagated more and will likely add another bush one this season, unless all those that I am evaluating this year wow me...
But I did add a couple of black cap varieties last year. These are also floricanes. Haven't tasted them yet, but they look great this year, and I hope to get a good harvest...
I cant tell you how excited i am about the "orange caps" hopefully i can propagate some more next year and start sharing
snarfing
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these actually do look like black raspberries (r. occidentalis) maybe youre picking them early?It was one of those things you see everywhere.... here, I found a picture for you.... I got mine from a small nursery by the highway near St Catharines, but I see these pots everywhere... HD, Rona, CT, etc. even Loblaws...
Interestingly, and that's something I did not know at the time, the raspberries in the picture look like black caps,
which is synonymous to black raspberries, but what I am growing looks like this:
Still, these are fantastic. We love them, and I already propagated more and will likely add another bush one this season, unless all those that I am evaluating this year wow me...
But I did add a couple of black cap varieties last year. These are also floricanes. Haven't tasted them yet, but they look great this year, and I hope to get a good harvest...
Possibly glencoes? I dont have to compare
snarfing
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ive seen these from time to time when foraging. the orange caps. they are fun! they tend to have yellow stems for identification when not bearing fruit. The regular blackcaps have red stems. I think the anthocyanin is turned off basically in the whole plant
snarfing
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not impossible. all the purple ones are pretty similar. it has the hairs bbetween the druplets so it definately has at least some occidentalis in it
My wild black caps have blue stems? and the orange caps do have the yellow. Your black caps have red stems? I tip rooted it and it took has 2 nice canes sprouting now.