Distinguishing White Madeira from White Madeira #1

DCallahan said:
Different ones, Micheal has renamed his seedling to Madeira Verde and it has been reported common. I have that one too, I have not fruited it yet. It has a really nontypical Adriatic leaf shape.
The White Madeira #2 that I got was from a collection in Illinois, Saw it very briefly mentioned a couple times on video. But part of my point is that it is a White Madeira named variety that was offered in public sale. I got little information on it but was able get the understanding that the timelines don't align to it also being Micheals variety.
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Aaaaand now we've come back around to what someone said in the Green Michurinska thread. Green (verde) and white are often names for figs of the same color.
 
I have a WM#1 that I paid a lot for from a very reputable person everyone would know his name and he's got a very good reputation. I got a fig off it last year and it matches the description. It does not appear to have breba.

I have a other that I bought as WM#1 and also from a reputable person, well known. It has several breba right now. It is the older of the two trees with branches so I thought it's because it's further along.

Are you saying that real WM#1 don't have breba?

If I search the Internet I find a Facebook post from at least one person we know and respect talking about a white Madeira #1 breba.

I don't want the be irresponsible and give someone a cutting labeled wm#1 if it isn't even though it came to me from someone i trusted.

Please give advice. I want to be able to donate this year to the cutting for the forum so I want to make sure I am being honest about what I have.
 
But isn’t white-white Madeira a honey fig, and white Madeira #1 a berry fig, so an easy distinction there once it fruits?

But between White Madeira and White Madeira #1, I saw this discussion in the other site, where folks with WM1 showed pics that looked like this:

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And this is what Harvey said, which I will post here since it seems informative to this discussion:

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DCallahan said:
Just because the color means the same doesn't make the name interchangeable. The word used to describe the color often will show the origin of the variety.
In the case on this thread, Madeira Verde was a purposely bred seedling that was handled to keep it differentiated from the mother tree.

I think in the future we will see many names that will be similar to other varieties because of all the hand pollination and breeding happening. Why shouldn't offspring share some of the naming of the parent? Doesn't mean they are the same.
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Gotcha. I wasn't suggesting the names were interchangeable, per se--just that in this instance, a fig with a presumably similar color to its parent's color (green) can be called green even though the parent is called white, which is what someone said in the Green Michurinska thread--which was that some green figs have the word "green" in their name while others have the word "white" in theirs. I would certainly not ever advise someone to go changing names of known varieties.
 
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My smaller wm#1 was definitely berry. And I should know in a month or two if the larger one with the nine breba I have are berry. So if that's the proof in the pudding then that's easy and I will be able to know and be confident in what I'm sharing - that's all that I care about- I just don't want to be a source of frustration for anyone I shared with. I'll update the thread with what I found when I get a ripe breba and then again when I get main crop.
 
Sooo… I have questions because when researching data on figs, I have seen pics with differing colors of inside and outside for the same fig. Does the location, growing conditions, fertilizer, ripeness, etc affect the colors? I do know that the longer it hangs the darker skin and stronger or different flavor some figs will have.
 
DCallahan said:
Just because the color means the same doesn't make the name interchangeable. The word used to describe the color often will show the origin of the variety.
In the case on this thread, Madeira Verde was a purposely bred seedling that was handled to keep it differentiated from the mother tree.

I think in the future we will see many names that will be similar to other varieties because of all the hand pollination and breeding happening. Why shouldn't offspring share some of the naming of the parent? Doesn't mean they are the same.
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Actually keeping the main name of the mother tree would helpful in sorting the families. Much less confusion and effort trying to figure out what a new fig is in my humble opinion. But, like dna- after breeding with other varieties several times it would be impossible to keep all the names listed, lol
 
cdh said:
That's a really interesting-looking fig! Is that fully ripe? Without any sugar spots?
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Very ripe - maybe could've left it to further turn the syconium clear and not a sugar spot to be seen on any as far as I recall.

I believe the breba was honey and the main was honey berry.
 
Thats kind of my point too. Anyone can name a fig White Madeira #3 if they want. It is not a widely circulated variety. Anyone that got a White Madeira from a fig grower, that wasn't specifically seeking a "White Madeira #2" most likely got a White Madeira #1. More than 99% of the white madeiras out there are white madeira #1. To the point that I can't in the first few pages of an internet search even find another "white madeira" other than Harvey's "white and white madeira". Many growers just drop the #1 off of the title when they refer to it.
When a new grower hears there are different white madeiras out there, they assume they have no idea which one they have anymore, and I just want to make sure there is less confusion. If you got a "white madeira" it was a "white madeira #1" unless you really went out of your way to find one of those other much less common, and very infrequently talked about ones.
 
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