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Figgerlickinggood

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This morning during my morning yard walk I noticed this on my persimmon tree trunk right at the graft site. The trunk and branches still show green, will this heel over or should I make plans for another purchase?IMG_20250311_113142927_HDR.jpg
 
We decided to buy another one just in case this one doesn’t make it. Purchased it from Ty Ty nursery. The had the biggest size, 7-8’ tall. Anyone ever buy from them?
 
It doesn't look good Teresa, maybe go with @SpiritFarmVa suggestion above. It looks like you're likely going to have to do a graft of some kind to save it. Do you have any idea what striped the bark off your persimmon tree? It looks like the work of a rapacious Vole. If that's what it is you should cover the trunk of your new tree with chicken wire, or hardware cloth. Also do the same for the old/ damaged persimmon tree. I would try to find a large trunk persimmon tree who wouldn't mind giving you a few inches of bark plus cambium layer for a emergency graft. Maybe that damaged tree could be saved with the graft.
 
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Figless said:
It doesn't look good Teresa, maybe go with @SpiritFarmVa suggestion above. It looks like you're likely going to have to do a graft of some kind to save it. Do you have any idea what striped the bark off your persimmon tree? It looks like the work of a rapacious Vole. If that's what it is you should cover the trunk of your new tree with chicken wire, or hardware cloth. Also do the same for the old/ damaged persimmon tree. I would try to find a large trunk persimmon tree who wouldn't mind giving you a few inches of bark plus cambium layer for a emergency graft. Maybe that damaged tree could be saved with the graft.
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If my memory serves me well I think that's where the nursery name tag was that got too tight.
 
@SpiritFarmVa made a fairly good suggestion for you. My cambium graft idea might be a little harder to implement. Either way it's most likely going to take a graft Teresa. Also if that excised ring was caused by a Vole you're likely going to need to protect it with chicken wire or hardware cloth. Especially the new one that you just bought. Have you ever seen a plant of any kind get a ring excised or chewed up like that? Even though yours doesn't really look chewed it looks excised in some way
 
Figless said:
@SpiritFarmVa made a fairly good suggestion for you. My cambium graft idea might be a little harder to implement. Either way it's most likely going to take a graft Teresa. Also if that excised ring was caused by a Vole you're likely going to need to protect it with chicken wire or hardware cloth. Especially the new one that you just bought. Have you ever seen a plant of any kind get a ring excised or chewed up like that? Even though yours doesn't really look chewed it looks excised in some way
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@Fig Gazer @Figgin' A might be helpful if we invited them into this conversation. What do you think?
 
Figless said:
@SpiritFarmVa made a fairly good suggestion for you. My cambium graft idea might be a little harder to implement. Either way it's most likely going to take a graft Teresa. Also if that excised ring was caused by a Vole you're likely going to need to protect it with chicken wire or hardware cloth. Especially the new one that you just bought. Have you ever seen a plant of any kind get a ring excised or chewed up like that? Even though yours doesn't really look chewed it looks excised in some way
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My husband says “just put that Tangle Foot on it”. Somehow I don’t think that will work.
 
Even if it heals, it's not likely to fill in the damaged area. You could 1) do a bridge graft across the gap, 2) cut it off right there (very likely will come back with more branching/better form), or as others mentioned, 3) use the top and scion and the bottom as RS and graft it back to itself, which if that doesn't work you'll probably still be left with number 2.
 
Figless said:
@GIV / Greg take a look at this thread from the beginning please give us your opinion. What would you do?
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From the picture, it looks like the damage includes cambium layer and 360 degrees. The damage looks too clean to be hungy animal enjoying some bark. I would 1st scrape the damage area to confirm the cambium layer is gone, then graft some portion of the top to the root stalk. I would consider protecting the bottom of the replacement persimmon with some wire mesh just in case it was a hungry animal
 
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