would you eat a cemetery fig?

epiphyte

Well-known member
a month ago i walked all around a big nearby cemetery (forest lawn) in search of male fig trees for pollen to try and cross carica with other ficus species.  found a few fig trees right next to the perimeter wall, such as this one...

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i need to return to check if it's ripe and male or female.  this tree is maybe 10 feet away from some tombstones, unlike this fuerte avocado tree...

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it was loaded with halfway ripe avocados.  i asked a hispanic worker in the area about it and he didn't even know it was there.  then i asked him if he would eat the fruit and he said he wouldn't.  i gave him a scenario where i made the perfect bowl of guacamole and offered him some, then would he eat it?  he said maybe.  

no idea about all the chemicals that go into buried bodies, or how long they last, but as you can see in the pic, there aren't any flowers anywhere.  this means that those plots are relatively old, and forgotten.  

anyone care to guess the story of this avocado tree?  my best guess is that it wasn't planted by the management.  it was the only fruit tree planted among the plots.  so perhaps a family member planted it, because the deceased really loved avocados?  and somehow the workers didn't remove it.  i guess it's also possible that an animal dragged on avocado there to eat it.  

would you rather push up daisies or avocados or figs?  

personally i'd love it if the cemetery was a food forest.  and i suppose i could convey this to forest lawn... "hi, my mother is buried there, and she really loved fruit trees, so i'd like to plant a fig tree next to her grave."  green light?  thumbs up?  probably not.  

so i'd buy a big chunk of land and start my own business... "food forest cemetery".  i'm sure that i'd get really rich really quick.  

there's a book called exit, voice and loyalty by albert o. hirschman that's worth checking out.  i linked to the wikipedia entry which provides a pretty good synopsis.  basically, there are 3 options when you're unhappy with a relationship (broadly speaking to include companies)...

1. exit - end the relationship

Capitalism is the best. It's free enterprise. Barter.  Gimbels, if I get really rank with the clerk, 'Well I don't like this', how I can resolve it? If it really gets ridiculous, I go, 'Frig it, man, I walk.' What can this guy do at Gimbels, even if he was the president of Gimbels? He can always reject me from that store, but I can always go to Macy's. He can't really hurt me. Communism is like one big phone company.  Government control, man. And if I get too rank with that phone company, where can I go? I'll end up like a schmuck with a dixie cup on a thread. - Lenny Bruce

2. voice - communicate what your issues are.  ie "this cemetery doesn't have enough fruit trees."  

3. loyalty - stick with the relationship, regardless of the issues and the alternatives.  

there's a 4th option that's glaringly absent...

4. sacrifice - "here's $35 for fruit trees to be planted at the cemetery."  

imagine if the forest lawn website had a prominent page for suggestions.  i could suggest fruit trees and it would show up on the list.  how high up it was on the list would be determined by donations.  the more money that was donated for this idea, the higher up on the page it would be, and the more seriously that forest lawn would consider it.  

this brand new fig forum has a category for "caprifigs".  obviously i personally think this is a useful category, but what's the actual demand for it?  we don't know.  this ignorance really isn't bliss.  when demand isn't known, it guarantees that the supply will be wrong.  this is the problem with "voice" just on its own.  it doesn't reflect people's true priorities.  

the solution is relatively simple.  whenever anybody donates, they should be given an option to say what it's for.  this information can be tracked on a public google sheet and then we will all see and know the demand for what is, and what should be.  

a. black fig fly
b. root knot nematodes 

which problem is bigger?  which category would people donate more money for?  right now we can guess, but we shouldn't have to guess.  we should just know.  

a. black fig fly ($30)
b. root knot nematodes ($300) 

even if there were 50 times more threads about black fig flies (bff) than about root knot nematodes (rkn), we would know that we should use 10 times more resources to tackle the problem of rkn.  this would make sense because not being able to grow a fig tree in the 1st place, because of rkn, is a much bigger problem than losing 50% of the figs because of bff.  

right now the billion or so people in tropical areas don't have the option to spend their money on something that doesn't, but should, exist... a fig that's resistant to rkn... which is why it still doesn't exist.  but if all these people had this option, then the more money they donated for an rkn category, the faster an rkn resistant fig would be created.  the fig growing community would at least triple in size, and this influx of brainpower would lead to even faster and greater fig improvements and progress.  

so whether we're talking about the demand for rkn resistant figs, or the demand for fig trees in cemeteries, ignorance of demand is not bliss.  it's the biggest obstacle between us and the figs of our wildest dreams.
 
I would eat the figs or the avocado's. There is a small cemetery at the wooded property my family owns. It is quite old. My dad has already planted a kumquat tree there. He loves kumquat's. I thought about planting grapes along the fence since it is chain link. But I am sure the vine would end up destroying the fence over time. When it come the the Caprifig section. I believe there is demand. Mainly for those looking to find out about other persistent figs that they can acquire. Many are now trying to breed. Some are now trying to figure out how to set up a wasp colony. Problem is there is not much out there on Capri. And what is out there is old. You may not be able to find the Capri you are reading about. I am hoping over time me and a few other's that for some crazy reason started collecting them. Can help answer these question's. And maybe just maybe answer some question's that have yet to be answered.
 
Absolutely. 

A year after my Grandmother passed, there was a holly tree seedling growing in her plot. Now 11 years later, that holly tree is growing in my backyard.

One of the main issues I see in creating a cemetery food forest is management and upkeep, amongst others. I walk past a local cemetery during my infrequent walks and pick up flags that have fallen to the ground. If management can’t even pick up flags of veterans or do some weeding, I doubt they would take care of a fruit tree.
 
You raise a good issue of embalming fluids and uptake. I would not know how to answer that...but if it was a Hebrew or Muslim cemetery where embalming Chemicals are not used, it would be downright healthy to eat fruit grown there no matter the grave age...just eat once you are outside the cemetery out of respect for the dead.
 
Avocado trees have shallow roots, near the top foot of the soil. I’d probably avoid eating from a tree that had a taproot but gladly eat from that avocado tree.

I’ve read that fruit trees don’t transfer heavy metals into their fruit, but I can’t say for certain about all the other chemicals. I’d focus on an edible hedge like grapes or berries.


If you collected fruit from that fig tree, you can cut them open prematurely to examine for stamens to determine the sex.
 
@"epiphyte"#53 Hello my friends I spent the day walking in the wilderness. Obsessed with the question would I eat a cemetery fig? Or would I eat a graveyard avocado?? These are very serious questions, and I must thank epiphyte for having the courage to (((raise))) them. First off I must remind our gentle figfanatic members that we are approaching the Halloween season. Also that it's completely safe to eat graveyard produce. Most especially Cemetery figs, because they're, Ghoulishly good.

@"Lewi"#16 I must caution you about Forest Lawn Cemeteries because they are reserved for the non-jewish goyam. If you want to eat kosher graveyard avocados you should check out Mount Sinai Cemeteries, also owned by, and located adjacent to Forest Lawn, 

Last, but most certainly not least @"Figology"#21 your suggestion to epipyhte to pick a potential male Capri fig early to identify it's sex, was a wonderful idea. This suggestion pleased me very much.

I have to honestly tell you my fellow members, that all of you, are a great group of fig fanatic's. I feel honored to be counted amongst you here, at the very start of Toronto Joe's, great figfanatic.com Adventure.
 
Figless said:
@"epiphyte"#53 Hello my friends I spent the day walking in the wilderness. Obsessed with the question would I eat a cemetery fig? Or would I eat a graveyard avocado?? These are very serious questions, and I must thank epiphyte for having the courage to (((raise))) them. First off I must remind our gentle figfanatic members that we are approaching the Halloween season. Also that it's completely safe to eat graveyard produce. Most especially Cemetery figs, because they're, Ghoulishly good.

@"Lewi"#16  I must caution you about Forest Lawn Cemeteries because they are reserved for the non-jewish goyam. If you want to eat kosher graveyard avocados you should check out Mount Sinai Cemeteries, also owned by, and located adjacent to Forest Lawn, 

Last, but most certainly not least @"Figology"#21 your suggestion to epipyhte to pick a potential male Capri fig early to identify it's sex, was a wonderful idea. This suggestion pleased me very much.

I have to honestly tell you my fellow members, that all of you, are a great group of fig fanatic's. I feel honored to be counted amongst you here, at the very start of Toronto Joe's, great figfanatic.com Adventure.

 Worry not, I don't usually traverse graveyards...and if I did not see some Arabic or Hebrew on the stones, I'd be pretty sure some one there got "the treatment".  Also for the rest of the folks here "goy" just means nation, goyim is other nations. It's only the embalming fluid that concerns me ( just to be clear once more).
 
PapaFig said:
Heck Yeah! 

But then, I've eaten road kill.

In Greece the cats n dogs on the roadside did not last long before locals snatched them up. I am sure your was fresher. :D


Figless said:
I have decided to respond by private message. Which of course included an apology to my dear friend @"Lewi"#16

But what offense? :angel:  I am sorry if I came across as offended. I just want others to know that sometimes Hebrews are also called Goy ( nation) in the bible once in a while, so they don't feel offended as the name has taken on a different meaning with many, and become a pejorative which is incorrect and a bit of a Busha / Shanda ( embarrassment).


Figless said:
I have decided to respond by private message. Which of course included an apology to my dear friend @"Lewi"#16

Also I am 100%v sure people here who know you understand you meant no offense to anyone...you a very considerate individual who tries to be friendly with all.
 
@"Lewi"#16 I understand my friend. Sometimes I can be too careful not to offend anyone. You're the one who invited me into this figfanatic platform. I'm hoping to see you here all the time.
 
Figless said:
@"Lewi"#16 I understand my friend. Sometimes I can be too careful not to offend anyone. You're the one who invited me into this figfanatic platform. I'm hoping to see you here all the time.

Sorry brother it really depends on factors beyond out control. I am almost ready to just let go of both places and let the madness take it's own form.  

Trust in God

Take care of the ones you love ( if you are able or blessed enough to have)

Sleep with he steel.

Be ready for anything..
 
Lewi said:
You raise a good issue of embalming fluids and uptake. I would not know how to answer that...but if it was a Hebrew or Muslim cemetery where embalming Chemicals are not used, it would be downright healthy to eat fruit grown there no matter the grave age...just eat once you are outside the cemetery out of respect for the dead.

Around here, the oaks and hickories in and near the graveyards grow just fine and seem to have for a very long time. 

" 1.2 WHAT HAPPENS TO FORMALDEHYDE WHEN IT ENTERS THE ENVIRONMENT? Formaldehyde is quickly broken down in the air, usually within hours. Formaldehyde in water may be broken down by bacteria or other microorganisms. " 

                                                                                                                                                                              - CDC website.
 
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