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Got my first and one of only two I 258' s on my first year tree. I know it wasn't going to be great being first year and I know I should have taken it off but man even not great and a little under ripe you can tell the potential... And so very different from my alma. I have a feeling I'm not going to meet a fig I don't like.😁PXL_20251116_164450093.jpg
 
I had my first I-258 from my 1st year tree a couple weeks ago and it was not good but I have another one almost ripe so maybe the taste will improve. So far this year Violeta has been my best tasting. I understand why people call Black Madeira the king of figs. Did you weigh it? I-258 gets pretty big.
 
Got my first and one of only two I 258' s on my first year tree. I know it wasn't going to be great being first year and I know I should have taken it off but man even not great and a little under ripe you can tell the potential... And so very different from my alma. I have a feeling I'm not going to meet a fig I don't like.😁View attachment 15584
Congratulations! I-258 is a phenomenal fig.

"I know it wasn't going to be great being first year..."

Based on what? Most of my 1st year figs have been outstanding. I am puzzled as to why almost every (new) fig grower is saying that.

"...and I know I should have taken it off"

No, shouldn't have. There is absolutely no credible evidence that removing figs in the first year helps with anything other than feeding a silly myth.

A new tree will grow just as well and as tall and thick with or without figs on it. If a tree puts out figs, it can support it. It knows better. Let it do its thing and enjoy those figs.
 
First year I258 (was a cutting Dec 24)—ripened 6-8 and I picked off a few more green ones that would ripen too late in the season. Most of them in the 70+ gram range. Some of them berry with passion fruit, one was so liquid cherry tasting it seemed artificial. Very good fresh eating fig. The last couple were slightly underripe and went into jam (skinned). Here are the last ones with some end of the season VdBs. I listened to Figgin’ A and focused on better terroir for my figs and it paid off with this year’s cuttings.
 

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Congratulations! I-258 is a phenomenal fig.

"I know it wasn't going to be great being first year..."

Based on what? Most of my 1st year figs have been outstanding. I am puzzled as to why almost every (new) fig grower is saying that.

"...and I know I should have taken it off"

No, shouldn't have. There is absolutely no credible evidence that removing figs in the first year helps with anything other than feeding a silly myth.

A new tree will grow just as well and as tall and thick with or without figs on it. If a tree puts out figs, it can support it. It knows better. Let it do its thing and enjoy those figs.
For the most part I agree with you except I think there are a few exceptions. This is just from growing 1 year in my yard. I have noticed that when a small 1st year tree has figs and is also pushing out green leafy growth and forming figs, it can be a fragile balance to keep it pushing out that green growth. For example if you have two identical trees, one had the figs removed and another with the figs left on, and you miss a day or two of watering in summer heat. The tree with the figs on it is more likely to stop pushing out green growth while the one without figs is more likely to continue forming leaves and figs. Then if you remove the figs off the tree that stopped growing, it may start growing again. I had a great WM#1 rooted cutting that I got from Bass. By the time it was 2' tall it had 30 figs on it. One day I noticed that my I-258, CDD Roja, and the WM#1 all had mottled colored leaves at the top (sign of FMV). The I-258 and CDD Roja quickly grow out of it while WM#1 stopped growing. All growth came to a screeching halt. The figs did not taste good. Then it got rust really bad and the tree looked horrible. If I could find a pic of it, I would be embarrassed to show it. So then I removed all the figs and it instantly started growing beautiful green leaves again. I know you could say that I should water more regularly, sprayed with sulfur, etc. but my point is that there are some situations where the tree would do better with the figs removed.
 
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For the most part I agree with you except I think there are a few exceptions. This is just from growing 1 year in my yard. I have noticed that when a small 1st year tree has figs and is also pushing out green leafy growth and forming figs, it can be a fragile balance to keep it pushing out that green growth. For example if you have two identical trees, one had the figs removed and another with the figs left on, and you miss a day or two of watering in summer heat. The tree with the figs on it is more likely to stop pushing out green growth while the one without figs is more likely to continue forming leaves and figs. Then if you remove the figs off the tree that stopped growing, it may start growing again. I had a great WM#1 rooted cutting that I got from Bass. By the time it was 2' tall it had 30 figs on it. One day I noticed that my I-258, CDD Roja, and the WM#1 all had mottled colored leaves at the top (sign of FMV). The I-258 and CDD Roja quickly grow out of it while WM#1 stopped growing. All growth came to a scretching halt. The figs did not taste good. Then it got rust really bad and the tree looked horrible. If I could find a pic of it, I would be embarrassed to show it. So then I removed all the figs and it instantly started growing beautiful green leaves again. I know you could say that I should water more regularly, sprayed with sulfur, etc. but my point is that there are some situations where the tree would do better with the figs removed.
For sure, under certain conditions, there will be edge scenarios where that may be the case. In general, though, it doesn't matter based on my observations and what I've seen some other growers report. I've experimented with growing the same varieties from the same mother tree, some figs removed, some figs left on, on generally healthy young trees, and noticed no appreciable difference.

In all my experiments, what usually makes the biggest difference is the pot size/timeliness of uppotting. Give a tree's root system space to grow freely, and you will see amazing results, provided other things are in place. Keep it in a tiny container for long enough, that's when you start having issues with growth, fruiting, disease, etc.
 
Congratulations! I-258 is a phenomenal fig.

"I know it wasn't going to be great being first year..."

Based on what? Most of my 1st year figs have been outstanding. I am puzzled as to why almost every (new) fig grower is saying that.

"...and I know I should have taken it off"

No, shouldn't have. There is absolutely no credible evidence that removing figs in the first year helps with anything other than feeding a silly myth.

A new tree will grow just as well and as tall and thick with or without figs on it. If a tree puts out figs, it can support it. It knows better. Let it do its thing and enjoy those figs.
Really? I guess that's what I saw in some videos... That pretty much all trees take a few years to come into their own and produce good fruit so not to expect much the first year.

As far as taking off the couple of fruit I think it was a combination of believing they wouldn't be worth it and maybe something I'd heard about a tree needing to not fruit the first year because it should be working on growing and getting a really big bunch of roots but I can see that if it made fruit and has enough oomph to not drop them and to actually ripen that maybe there's not much to taking off the first fruits.... Just like you said.

There's a lot of info out there by "experts" which sometimes is directly contradicted by other experts - which us new people go look at and at first it's really hard to take everything in and just go with common sense because we are so excited and want to do everything "right"... It's just new-figgy-itis.

Sorry I probably just helped propagate some misinformation to some other newbies. Thanks so much for being a voice of reason. 👍. I'll spend more time enjoying this instead of worrying over every little thing 😁😁😁 I've got one more i258 that I will enjoy the heck out of!.. I'm going to try to let it get a little riper than the first one . I bet it'll be even better.
 
I had my first I-258 from my 1st year tree a couple weeks ago and it was not good but I have another one almost ripe so maybe the taste will improve. So far this year Violeta has been my best tasting. I understand why people call Black Madeira the king of figs. Did you weigh it? I-258 gets pretty big.
I didn't. It wasn't tony but not to big. The other one is bigger. It looked like it might have been only around 50 grams based on other figs I've weighed. I'll weigh the next one for sure. I was too excited and forgot
 
" In all my experiments, what usually makes the biggest difference is the pot size/timeliness of uppotting. Give a tree's root system space to grow freely, and you will see amazing results..".
I really appreciate other's experience and your experiments and what you found. It sounds like you just provide them good care but really just get to know your trees and know what they look like and how they grow so if something changes you recognize it as soon as possible and figure out what's stressing them so you can correct it right away. Thanks for the insight.
 
It’s a great fig and you will have more next year. My cuttings this year were I258, RdB, & VdS. I thought about removing all the figs, but greed won out and I ended up eating 6-12 from each tree. I aggressively uppotted these cuttings and added high quality potting soil, made a difference.
 
I had my first I 258 this year off my first year tree as well. Wow, it was good- probably my favorite of all that I had! Now if only they would stop splitting! 🤨
I have several I-258 trees. In my experience this well known splitter splits less when it gets consistent water every day. My tree on a timer ripened a vast majority of its figs without splitting, while I got very few ripened figs on the trees where I watered manually and not on the same schedule.

I don’t know if other growers have experienced the same with I-258 or other varieties.
 
First year I258 (was a cutting Dec 24)—ripened 6-8 and I picked off a few more green ones that would ripen too late in the season. Most of them in the 70+ gram range. Some of them berry with passion fruit, one was so liquid cherry tasting it seemed artificial. Very good fresh eating fig. The last couple were slightly underripe and went into jam (skinned). Here are the last ones with some end of the season VdBs. I listened to Figgin’ A and focused on better terroir for my figs and it paid off with this year’s cuttings.
@Figgin' A
May I ask what your tips were for “better terroir”?
 
I have several I-258 trees. In my experience this well known splitter splits less when it gets consistent water every day. My tree on a timer ripened a vast majority of its figs without splitting, while I got very few ripened figs on the trees where I watered manually and not on the same schedule.

I don’t know if other growers have experienced the same with I-258 or other varieties.
Good to know. Thank you for sharing.
 
@Figgin' A
May I ask what your tips were for “better terroir”?
After seeing the productivity he got in “Figs with most net production” and looking at the pictures of his soil along with his comment within that “My growing medium is a locally sourced pre-mixed organic potting mix heavy on worm castings and plant-based compost. The same stuff I use for my vegetables.” —I realized that my potted fig soil mix needed to be more nutritious. I added about 50% organic potting mix (Master Nursery Bumper Crop) to my soil mix and it has made a significant difference in fig growth and production.
 
@Figgin' A
May I ask what your tips were for “better terroir”?
What @scott_va said above. @scott_va, glad it was helpful, and thanks for responding to the question. I think it's easier to pinpoint those things when looking from the side... me, I just do what I do the way I feel it should be done... everything matters... ask me what those factors that comprise a better terroir are, and I get that hourglass sign in front of my eyes LOL
 
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