Non-dormant cutting propagation

Dreyenn

Dreyenn

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I did what I never thought I would, I purchased several (lots) of non-dormant cuttings. I don't want to say "green" because the cuttings looked good and were lignified and not dripping but fresh and definitely not dormant. The main thing I know about starting these cuttings is to NOT put them on a heating pad, not sure why but people said not to so I won't. Other than that, it's going to be learn as I go. If anyone has any words of wisdom.... I'm all ears. Thanks.
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Dreyenn said:
I did what I never thought I would, I purchased several (lots) of non-dormant cuttings. I don't want to say "green" because the cuttings looked good and were lignified and not dripping but fresh and definitely not dormant. The main thing I know about starting these cuttings is to NOT put them on a heating pad, not sure why but people said not to so I won't. Other than that, it's going to be learn as I go. If anyone has any words of wisdom.... I'm all ears. Thanks.
 :huh:
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I've done non-dormant cuttings like the ones you describe (fresh, mature, lignified) and they have done very well.  But I did mine during the summer, not fall going into winter.  I just put them in tree pots or regular pots in a good rooting/potting mix and put them outside in the dappled shade.  They seem to love it and have a high success rate.  Again, not sure this would work well growing them outside like this with cold weather either here or coming soon.  I don't have experience growing non-dormant cuttings inside, but seems like it could work well.  That is interesting what you say about not using heat mats...not sure why it wouldn't work, but seems like others have tried and it is not a good thing.

Good luck.  It will be good to hear what others think and also to hear how your cuttings do.
 
I agree with Randy, they should work fine...but with the temps cooling off I'd think they would root slower.
They still need decent temps, so if you needed to bring the temps up I don't see why heat mats would be a bad thing.
You just need to regulate how much heat.
 
100% of my wild collection is from non-dormant cuttings. They have tons of energy and a high success rate when a lignified or partially lignified cutting is rooted.

70-74F was the sweet spot for me when I was propagating with a heating pad. If you use a heat pat, be careful not to oversaturate your rooting medium or the extra moisture and heat can cause rot.
 
I've always been told it's been not ideal but, i've done it.... more than a few times. Sometimes cuttings present themselves by surprise.... so you deal with it...

I've taken non dormant cuttings and set them to have them stabilize as much as 9 months after start. 

I'm not saying it's ideal... but sometimes circumstances are what they are... and methods are not absolute
 
Fresh cuttings or mostly lignified are fine. The number one rule is that they have to be rooted right away and not stored in the refrigerator for months like dormant cuttings. They should root quicker than dormant cuttings. Heat mat with a thermostat set to mid 70s and you should be golden. Good luck 👍
 
It is not the "green" cuttings, it is the timing.  The timing is just wrong.  I do not recommend this practice in the cold region.

Those "green" cuttings are actually the easiest ones to root.  Very fresh and root easily.

But this is toward the end of fig season.  You get very short time period for those rooted cuttings to get established.  They just do not get enough time to get established.  Some of them may just die over the long dormant season.

For this reason, I do not recommend to take air layers or root cuttings any time after the summer.  Do this before summer.  

Sure some people would take chances.  But the failure rate is rather high.  People in warm climate may be in better situation.

Also, do not buy those small rooted cuttings this time of year. Buy some established plants with solid root systems.
 
@"Red_Sun"#104 

What would you think of rooting green cuttings indoors? To take away the seasonal factor?

A while back someone told me they had very good success with green cuttings using aeroponics 

I’ve done green cuttings direct potting. So-so success rate
 
Yeah, I see the seasonal thing being an issue. I'm growing in a greenhouse with lights and heat. I'm hoping this makes a difference and lets them grow all winter. We shall see. :huh:
 
TorontoJoe said:
@"Red_Sun"#104 

What would you think of rooting green cuttings indoors? To take away the seasonal factor?

A while back someone told me they had very good success with green cuttings using aeroponics 

I’ve done green cuttings direct potting. So-so success rate
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There are different kinds of "green" cuttings.

During the season, you get those tender green tip "cutting" or shoot.  There is no wood.  Just tender shoots.  You can't ship them and they dry out very quickly.  The only way to root them is to provide high moisture like aeroponics and moisture dome.  And it is better to use new/clean rooting media.  

The next is the "green wood" cutting.  They are pretty the best plant materials to root.  They are fresh and won't dry out easily.  No need for moisture dome.  You can just root them in shade indoors or outdoors.  They need good temperature and moist (not wet) rooting media.  

The hardwood or dormant cuttings we normally use are actually slower to root them the greenwood cuttings.  About one week longer in general.  Some dormant wood cuttings could have receive winter damages before the cuts.  The best things about them is the long shelf life.  And easy to ship.  They fit right with our growing cycle like rooting in spring.  

For most growers, due to the cold climate, the best way to root is on those dormant cuttings.  But if you can manage the cold temperature, greenwood cuttings are about the best.
 
Glad to hear.... I also get that feeling when I see leaves before roots. Always that chance they'll run out of steam too early. 

Can't help but noticing that you don't cover the roots from light. I don't bother with that either anymore. Maybe I'm opening a can of worms here. I decided that since they're usually crowded together, and most of the roots are within the mix, that it wasn't worth the hassle of covering them up. I also like having them visible for easy inspection.
 
TorontoJoe said:
Glad to hear.... I also get that feeling when I see leaves before roots. Always that chance they'll run out of steam too early. 

Can't help but noticing that you don't cover the roots from light. I don't bother with that either anymore. Maybe I'm opening a can of worms here. I decided that since they're usually crowded together, and most of the roots are within the mix, that it wasn't worth the hassle of covering them up. I also like having them visible for easy inspection.
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Yeah, I've never worried about the light on roots, and it doesn't seem to have been an issue, but I do keep them packed closely together. I'm sure I would go crazy if I couldn't inspect for roots through the cups.
 
Looks good. I always like rooting Non-dormant cutting's. It seems they are still wanting to grow. So they push out roots sooner. I also agree with you both. I don't hide my roots from light. And never had an issue.
 
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