Grape vines

Maybe check with some people in your area first, if it's anything like here most grapes suffer black rot and are devastated by the asian beetles/june bug.
I have had a green seedless grape (Neptune) in ground for 4 years and haven't gotten to eat any.
It produces tons!
I don't like spraying chemicals...and they suffer.
On the other hand, muscadines do very well.
Just not as pleasant to eat as grapes in my opinion.
But that is exactly what I am going to plant...getting rid of the Neptune.
 
Hi Teresa. You can plant fall or spring. Fall might be more risky if we have another polar vortex like the last two winters. We should be due for a mild one (or at least I'm hoping for that!) Fall is a best time to plant many fruits (except figs) because the roots have the most amount of time to get established before the stress of summer hits. The roots will grow in spurts of the winter as temps fluctuate.
 
Figgerlickinggood said:
I’m thinking of planting grapes.  When’s the best time to plant the vines?
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Good choice! We have Blueberry grapes and they are delicious and nice because the grapes tend to grow under the leaves which helps to protect them from birds. I am looking at them now and planning the pruning, probably will wait till December or January because I don't want them to leaf out again before the cold we usually get around the first months of the year. I also want to put horticultural oil on them to ward against some of the pest problems lurking in the area,  I guess it will depend on the weather. I think you have lower temps so frost and freezing may be issues for you to watch out for. I sometimes just stick the cuttings in the ground and they will root, but we also have gophers so might just be a tasty treat for them, too, they are eating some of the passion fruit right now and of course, the fig and apple trees. Have fun with your grape planning!

Figgerlickinggood said:
I’m thinking of planting grapes.  When’s the best time to plant the vines?
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Hey @Ktrain have you thought about using Horticultural oil? It is pretty minimalistic as far as treatments go, it smothers the bugs, sometimes I find mealybugs on the canes, that is another reason to kick myself in the butt and get to pruning.  Got to check for those and make sure there are no leafhoppers or fruit flies. Hope you find the right grape for your conditions.
 
@"Figless"#18 
Without trying to sound lazy, lol...but I don't want to have to babysit them. :)
Actually Angel was telling me about a variety to try and I trust her judgement.
So I will pull my Neptune and try her recommendation. :)
 
@"Figgerlickinggood"#7 Teresa good luck on your grape project @"ktrain"#2 Why not rotate with AZAMAX, or AZATROL (to avoid the leaf burn that many times comes with horticultural oil). Then rotate with spinosad. Also maybe one application of wettable sulfur per season. That should keep your grapes pretty clean no bad pesticides, and a fairly organic solution. You could keep a lot of your productive[font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (Neptune) grapes, and still be trying new ones.[/font] In CA all grapes pretty much have to have at least one application of wettable sulfur to keep off the powdery mildew it for no other reason. Hello @"2Angels"#127
 
Figless said:
@"Figgerlickinggood"#7 Teresa good luck on your grape project @"ktrain"#2 Why not rotate with AZAMAX, or AZATROL (to avoid the leaf burn that many times comes with horticultural oil). Then rotate with spinosad. Also maybe one application of wettable sulfur per season. That should keep your grapes pretty clean no bad pesticides, and a fairly organic solution. You could keep a lot of your productive[font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (Neptune) grapes, and still be trying new ones.[/font] In CA all grapes pretty much have to have at least one application of wettable sulfur to keep off the powdery mildew it for no other reason. Hello @"2Angels"#127
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Sounds interesting Greg, To be totally honest I just don't have the time to dedicate to fighting so many different plants/fruits every season.
We are rather busy with work as both my wife and I drive 500 miles per week....separately.
So we are pretty worn out by the time we get home in the evening.
So I'm really looking for things that will be fine without me tending to it so much.
Does that sound lazy...lol
I believe that would work though, thank you for passing on that information. :)
 
@"ktrain"#2   At least you have a car.  you young whippersnappers have 
 it easy.  Why in my day I had to take the bus.  It took 2 busses each way.  Oh yeah btw we walked to skool both ways, in the snow, rain, hot and cold.  It was hard on us girls cause we couldn’t wear pants.
Ahhh the good old days. Just what was good about them I still don’t know but they was good.
LOL. I couldn’t resist the old whippersnappers recollections.
 
@"Figgerlickinggood"#7 

Lol we couldn't walk to school, we always lived so far out in the country it would take way too long.
On weekends we would walk into town though, was the only way to spend time with friends. :)
You know before cell phones and internet and game systems...going outside was the only thing to do.
My kids didn't believe me when I told them the TV used to go off the air at night. :D
 
Also besides the tv signing off @2am the radio stations did too.  I remember the radio going off air with the national anthem.  Not to mention nobody I knew ever had more than 1 TV in the house. It was boring if you got sick and couldn’t sleep, just lay in bed starting at the ceiling.
 
Figgerlickinggood said:
@"ktrain"#2   At least you have a car.  you young whippersnappers have 
 it easy.  Why in my day I had to take the bus.  It took 2 busses each way.  Oh yeah btw we walked to skool both ways, in the snow, rain, hot and cold.  It was hard on us girls cause we couldn’t wear pants.
Ahhh the good old days. Just what was good about them I still don’t know but they was good.
LOL. I couldn’t resist the old whippersnappers recollections.
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That is so funny.  Even though I grew up in Southern California, I used to tell my kids that I had to walk to school in the snow, uphill, both ways!  They knew I was joking about the snow, but my sister and friends and I did walk to and from school every day...it does seem like the good old days now.  :D

What a great thread.  I love the opinions and options on grapes and how to care for them.  I had been gearing up to put in some trellising and grapes, but have put that on pause to reconsider after the past growing season.  I have a Himrod vine that was absolutely decimated by Japanese beetles (and the aphids kept hitting it pretty hard also, although those are fairly easy to get rid of).  And I think the deer love to munch on grape leaves also.  The different pest issues made me realize that bunch grapes seem like they can be very high maintenance.  I feel like I am kind of in @"ktrain"#2  Kevin's camp, with things still being very crazy-busy in my life right now (not in a bad way, just busy).  So I'm looking for plants that are as low maintenance as possible.  I may still put in some muscadine grapes, since I think they may be more suited to this area, but still wonder if they would have the same issues with Japanese beetles and deer?
 
2Angels said:
Hi Teresa. You can plant fall or spring. Fall might be more risky if we have another polar vortex like the last two winters. We should be due for a mild one (or at least I'm hoping for that!) Fall is a best time to plant many fruits (except figs) because the roots have the most amount of time to get established before the stress of summer hits. The roots will grow in spurts of the winter as temps fluctuate.
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Angel little did you know when you made this reply how right you were about how cold it was going to be this winter. Good thing I never planted the grapes.
 
Figgerlickinggood said:
Angel little did you know when you made this reply how right you were about how cold it was going to be this winter. Good thing I never planted the grapes.
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Well I'm glad you didn't! Jeeze Louise what a crappy winter this turned out to be. I have some grape vines waiting to go in this spring too. Glad I kept them in their pots for sure now. And another polar event is coming next week. I am really over all this cold! Lol
 
2Angels said:
Well I'm glad you didn't! Jeeze Louise what a crappy winter this turned out to be. I have some grape vines waiting to go in this spring too. Glad I kept them in their pots for sure now. And another polar event is coming next week. I am really over all this cold! Lol
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I hear ya girlfriend.
 
Figland said:
Good choice! We have Blueberry grapes and they are delicious and nice because the grapes tend to grow under the leaves which helps to protect them from birds. I am looking at them now and planning the pruning, probably will wait till December or January because I don't want them to leaf out again before the cold we usually get around the first months of the year. I also want to put horticultural oil on them to ward against some of the pest problems lurking in the area, I guess it will depend on the weather. I think you have lower temps so frost and freezing may be issues for you to watch out for. I sometimes just stick the cuttings in the ground and they will root, but we also have gophers so might just be a tasty treat for them, too, they are eating some of the passion fruit right now and of course, the fig and apple trees. Have fun with your grape planning!



Hey @Ktrain have you thought about using Horticultural oil? It is pretty minimalistic as far as treatments go, it smothers the bugs, sometimes I find mealybugs on the canes, that is another reason to kick myself in the butt and get to pruning. Got to check for those and make sure there are no leafhoppers or fruit flies. Hope you find the right grape for your conditions.
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I haven't heard of these varieties. We have several varieties of muscadines, we grow seedless and seeded concord grapes- just a few. There haven't been many table grapes that grow well in South Carolina. I'm definitely going to research these. I just need to figure out a plan to smuggle them in if I think they will work out for us.
 
ktrain said:
Sounds interesting Greg, To be totally honest I just don't have the time to dedicate to fighting so many different plants/fruits every season.
We are rather busy with work as both my wife and I drive 500 miles per week....separately.
So we are pretty worn out by the time we get home in the evening.
So I'm really looking for things that will be fine without me tending to it so much.
Does that sound lazy...lol
I believe that would work though, thank you for passing on that information. :)
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Sounds like the perfect grape variety you’re looking for that you just plant and enjoy with no tending to is a really good plastic variety. My mom always kept a bowlful of those plastic ones in the center of the kitchen table. 🤣😂
 
I'm curious, I miss picking grapes from my own vine, anyone from Arizona grow their own?

If so: Any tips or strategies to getting the vine establishes?
 
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