@"MiaD"#88 LOL I don't use the term first leaf because I've never really understood the context of it. For me first year or first season is referring to the year subsequent to it's being rooted in early spring, or winter. I will call them first year till their first dormancy after propagation. So in that context my entire Garden is first year. And nobody is first leaf because that's just too confusing to me. After they come out of dormancy in spring with Bud break I will call them second year. LOL I think I'm going to be stubborn, and stay with that type of terminology no matter what is said on this thread. No offense meant. There's just too much latitude, and referring to first year as first year seems logical to me.