BYFG Pawpaw tasting and tour

9ah-figlet

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BYFG (Backyard Fruit Growers) is a great organization for fruit growers within driving distance of Lancaster, PA. They hosted a pawpaw tasting and tour today at member Ted Weeden’s orchard. He has at least 80 pawpaw trees alongside pears, cherry, pecans, hecans, Chinese chestnuts, hardy kiwi (well, you get the idea…).

Ted has been growing pawpaws for over 20 years and has so many varieties to taste! 
We tasted 14-15 different varieties ranging from classics like Allegheny, Wabash, Overleese, Mango, Susquehanna to some of his own breeding successes (Hannah and Maxsun). 


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He shared some of his observations about his collection. He evaluates seedlings over a 3-yr fruiting period by keeping careful notes on the percentage by weight of seeds to flesh. Some of the earliest pawpaws to ripen are Kentucky Champion (the earliest and is completely done), Overleese (starts early and has a long picking season), and
Green River Belle starts early and fruits over 6 weeks period. Taytoo bruises more easily than other varieties, and Mango can have a more watery texture.

As we toured his yard, he spoke of some of his successful growing techniques (he dug a water retention pond), showed how to prune a pawpaw to keep it manageable and so the fruit isn’t too bruised when it falls, how to plant a pawpaw successfully, etc.

He was also growing Chinese Mulberry (Che or Zhe), which tastes like mild raspberry when ripe. 

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During the tasting, an attendee shared the American Persimmons they grew which were lovely soft and sweet with a butter rum taste.

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At the end of the tasting, Ted generously gave all the remaining fruit to attendees. Such a nice guy! He also sells seedlings too.

He offers this tour every year to BYFG members. If you’re in the area, you might want to consider joining BYFG. It’s only $15 for 2-yrs. In addition to Ted’s pawpaw tour, there is a grafting workshop (and scion giveaway—mostly apples and pears) in March, and a fruit tasting in October and with lectures, picnics, etc. Info to sign up is at their website https://www.byfg.org.
 
I want to get some paw paw growing. Since they're native here (just) I'm apparently allowed to plant them in wooded areas around me. I was thinking of tragically dropping some trees in some fertile, sunny areas..

I just don't have the room for a pair of them at my house but I think it would be cool to spread them around. There's a nursery about an hour from me north of Niagara that carries them. Only ones I know around here.

https://www.grimonut.com/index.php?p=Products&category=pawpaw-trees
 
ktrain said:
Love Love Love paw paws, attempting to grow some here by my pond.
Put them in ground late spring...hoping they make it through the winter...still quite small.
Sounds like a good plan @"ktrain"#2 ! Isn't their flavor amazing (mango, banana, hypersweet tropical goodness) to come out of a fruit that is cold hardy and so plain-looking!

The biggest threat to young trees that Ted warns about are rabbits chomping thru anything under 1/2" in diameter and bucks rubbing against bigger trees. Pawpaw wood is very soft, and the bark is papery thin (easily damaged) and doesn't recover well. He keeps his trees surrounded by wire fencing while small.

Ted talked a little about their growth cycle. Those 1st couple of years it may be hard to see the growth, but then that they have a big growth spurt around 3-5 years.
 
I do have wooden boxes around my in ground with chicken wire around it.
Watching some videos I seen that they grow best when near streams or rivers.
So that's why I decided to put them near the pond.
You're so right, all those flavors coming from 1 fruit...amazing!
 
Pawpaws are one of the fruits that I have never tasted - when people describe a custard like consistency, I hear mush/slop and decide not to grow. There’s always next year though.

I’ve only tried two Persimmons. A small astringent one in my neighbors backyard and a large orange one. Didn’t care for either one - beautiful trees though.
 
TorontoJoe said:
I want to get some paw paw growing. Since they're native here (just) I'm apparently allowed to plant them in wooded areas around me. I was thinking of tragically dropping some trees in some fertile, sunny areas..

I just don't have the room for a pair of them at my house but I think it would be cool to spread them around. There's a nursery about an hour from me north of Niagara that carries them. Only ones I know around here.

https://www.grimonut.com/index.php?p=Products&category=pawpaw-trees

Do you know if those are grafted or seedlings?
To start with seedlings takes so dang long to get anything, but one must do with what is available.
 
TorontoJoe said:
I want to get some paw paw growing. Since they're native here (just) I'm apparently allowed to plant them in wooded areas around me. I was thinking of tragically dropping some trees in some fertile, sunny areas.. 

That's cool! Because pawpaws are the only host plant for the Zebra swallowtail butterfly, a lot of native plant gardeners are planting pawpaws as an understory tree without any plans to harvest the fruit. The trees are a lot prettier (IMHO) when grown in the sun and much more productive--they look like a thick prehistoric tree rather than a scraggly grove with an open habit. Young pawpaws have problems with full sun--they should grow in shade the first 1-2 years (but I must admit I didn't shade my trees their 2nd year and they're ok).
 
bushdoctor82 said:
Pawpaws are one of the fruits that I have never tasted - when people describe a custard like consistency, I hear mush/slop and decide not to grow. There’s always next year though.

I’ve only tried two Persimmons. A small astringent one in my neighbors backyard and a large orange one. Didn’t care for either one - beautiful trees though.

If the texture of the pawpaw bothers you, turn them into ice cream! That's what we do after we've had our fill of the fresh fruit.
 
9ah-figlet said:
bushdoctor82 said:
Pawpaws are one of the fruits that I have never tasted - when people describe a custard like consistency, I hear mush/slop and decide not to grow. There’s always next year though.

I’ve only tried two Persimmons. A small astringent one in my neighbors backyard and a large orange one. Didn’t care for either one - beautiful trees though.

If the texture of the pawpaw bothers you, turn them into ice cream! That's what we do after we've had our fill of the fresh fruit.

I ate some amazing cupcakes made using pawpaws, one type was a simple cake and another with chocolate chips added.  Amazingly moist and flavorful. 
Thanks for sharing this group and tour.   I'm only about 45 mins south of Lancaster.
 
DCallahan said:
I ate some amazing cupcakes made using pawpaws, one type was a simple cake and another with chocolate chips added.  Amazingly moist and flavorful. 
Thanks for sharing this group and tour.   I'm only about 45 mins south of Lancaster.

Thanks Dan. I hope to see you at a future BYFG event. 

The fruit tasting (mostly apples and pears) is next on the calendar on October 19th.  There’s an overwhelming amount of free scion wood available at the grafting workshop in the Spring, and being able to taste the fruit first would help narrow your choices. Last year, my hubby picked on novelty—a “blue” apple sounded great to him!
 
9ah-figlet said:
DCallahan said:
I ate some amazing cupcakes made using pawpaws, one type was a simple cake and another with chocolate chips added.  Amazingly moist and flavorful. 
Thanks for sharing this group and tour.   I'm only about 45 mins south of Lancaster.

Thanks Dan. I hope to see you at a future BYFG event. 

The fruit tasting (mostly apples and pears) is next on the calendar on October 19th.  There’s an overwhelming amount of free scion wood available at the grafting workshop in the Spring, and being able to taste the fruit first would help narrow your choices. Last year, my hubby picked on novelty—a “blue” apple sounded great to him!

If you see " Evercrisp" be sure to try it.   It's a cross of honey crisp and Fuji, and it's better then the sum of its parts!  It's a newer tree that's under license but I was lucky enough to find a couple this spring.
 
Wow, that seems like it was an awesome event! And pawpaws seem like an awesome fruit. They have a unique and great taste. They are native to most eastern states. They have little disease or pest pressure. Even the deer don’t seem to like the leaves (and the deer in my area seem to eat almost anything).
 
@"9ah-figlet"#12 . What a wonderful post I am going to five stars it. Paw Paw's are a secret obsession of mine. I want to get some of those different fancy hybrids. Mostly all I can ever find before this thread was East Coast seed stock, but I want some of those delicious hybrids that have been breed for flavor, and size. Thank you so much for posting this thread. I will definitely join the [font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]BYFG. I actually had never heard of them before. I'm a member of four chapters of the CRFG. This Figfanatic platform is so important, because it is open-ended. @"TorontoJoe"#1  has designed something that is much bigger then what has gone before. We can go anywhere we want with this [/font][font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]platform. Because it has been designed to give us this freedom....[/font]
 
Figless said:
@"9ah-figlet"#12 . What a wonderful post I am going to five stars it. Paw Paw's are a secret obsession of mine. I want to get some of those different fancy hybrids. Mostly all I can ever find before this thread was East Coast seed stock, but I want some of those delicious hybrids that have been breed for flavor, and size. Thank you so much for posting this thread. I will definitely join the [font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]BYFG. I actually had never heard of them before. I'm a member of four chapters of the CRFG. This Figfanatic platform is so important, because it is open-ended. @"TorontoJoe"#1  has designed something that is much bigger then what has gone before. We can go anywhere we want with this [/font][font='Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]platform. Because it has been designed to give us this freedom....[/font]

@"9ah-figlet"#12  - I've had a pretty rough day and it's about to come to a close... I just wanted to sign off by thanking you for what is perhaps the most encouraging post made on this forum...... It has been exactly my intention to provide members with the ability to share their passions... you may have noticed my posts about curing meat... only to say that I believe we are all more than "one thing".  I will try to figure out the best way to accomodate all the good people here... only to say I appreciate you and I'm listening...
 
I am growing about 14 papaw cultivars at the moment. I am trying to focus on mainly later ripening types, but I do have a few early and mid season. The summer was brutal here with an excessive drought and 3 weeks at or above 100f. Rough. So I lost a few new ones I had planted in spring. Ive got a bunch of 1 & 2 year old seedling trees I will be grafting in the spring, so I can replace what I've lost and add some new ones, too. The first trees I planted in 2022 have flower buds on them, so I'm super excited for next year! I love pawpaws. I would have been over the moon to attend such an awesome event. I appreciate you sharing some of the data you learned there. 

Here's my oldest trees. Wish I had the forethought to take better photos. The one on the right is Jerry's Big Girl. It is 15' tall

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@"2Angels"#127 

Sheesh...those are growing like crazy.
I will be putting my two potted ones in ground in spring.
Hope they all survive the winter.
Though I only have 2 varieties...it will be 2 of each. :)
 
@"2Angels"#127 

I hope you get fruit next year!  How exciting.  I just have my 3 varieties so far, but I have 2 seedlings from a named variety that I am going to grow out and see how they do and what they taste like.  I may try to graft over some of the dozens of wild paw paws that i found  growing to one side of our property.  None of them fruited that I could see.  I thought some new genetics might help.  And it would be good grafting practice for me also.
 
What a fun project! That sounds perfect. You have established rootstock and nothing to lose. That's an awesome opportunity.  May every graft take for you.
 
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